Low Bar Poll, part 2

[Jarren Harkema]

This seems to be the case of a silent majority and vocal minority. There are valid arguments to be made on both sides. At this point in the season, teams who have already designed to NOT go UNDER the bar aren't going to change their minds. I think the more interesting number is now many teams change their minds in the last 13 days and decide to not limbo.

[Street_dreamZ]

Originally Posted by Jarren Harkema

At this point in the season, teams who have already designed to NOT go over the bar aren't going to change their minds.

How many teams are we talking about here exactly?

[GeeTwo]

Originally Posted by Jarren Harkema

At this point in the season, teams who have already designed to NOT go over the bar aren't going to change their minds.

Originally Posted by Street_dreamZ

How many teams are we talking about here exactly?

That would include us. Avoiding G45 yellow cards was high on our priority list, and I doubt we'll change that.

[Jarren Harkema]

Ahh! Poor choice of words. My bad.

[OccamzRazor]

At this rate there should be a poll with how consistent the shooters will actually be. I think if you could sink two baskets in 2012 you were doing better than most teams that year.

This is year is going to be a scouting nightmare.

[sagi34]

Originally Posted by OccamzRazor

At this rate there should be a poll with how consistent the shooters will actually be. I think if you could sink two baskets in 2012 you were doing better than most teams that year.

This is year is going to be a scouting nightmare.

I dont agree about this, I think that this year scouting is gonna be realy fun, scouting nightmare was 2013 mission, was hard to follow all the discs that were flying around the field.

[Drakxii]

Do remember this is a poll of Chief Dehlpi teams. This is not a clean slice of the general FRC population. Rather this is a highly skewed sample of teams who's BBQ is far greater then the standard FRC population.

[Keefe2471]

Originally Posted by Drakxii

Do remember this is a poll of Chief Dehlpi teams. This is not a clean slice of the general FRC population. Rather this is a highly skewed sample of teams who's BBQ is far greater then the standard FRC population.

Why do people think this? Not to pick on specifically Drakxii, but almost any interesting poll has multiple comments like these. It doesn't seem to do anything but reinforce the casual elitism on this forum.

Clearly, teams on Chief Delphi have some advantages that should make their robots and teams better, but besides the general consensus is there really any evidence of this? There are some very top tier teams with active members on this forum, but there are also plenty of teams that are either basically rookies or show off robots that are typical of the average competitive FIRST robotics team I see at competitions.

I'm sorry if I come off as rude, but I think that dismissing this poll (or any poll on this website) on the assumption that most of the 300 people who have already responded to this poll are on far better than average teams does not seem to do anything except cheapen the discussion.

Thoughts?

[RoboChair]

Originally Posted by Drakxii

Do remember this is a poll of Chief Dehlpi teams. This is not a clean slice of the general FRC population. Rather this is a highly skewed sample of teams who's BBQ is far greater then the standard FRC population.

On the other hand it could just be multiple members from the same team voting that has skewed the results the way they are. Most highly successful teams have much larger student and mentor populations, if they are all voting it will skew the results towards the crazier of robot designs.

If we assume that a fixed percentage of all FRC students and mentors are active on CD, having a larger team will disproportionately give them more votes.

[OccamzRazor]

Originally Posted by sagi34

I dont agree about this, I think that this year scouting is gonna be realy fun, scouting nightmare was 2013 mission, was hard to follow all the discs that were flying around the field.

Totally agree with the scoring aspect being very easy to scout but thinking about all those low bar robots and how many field elements they need to interact with will make for a very interesting year since you will have to look for the robots that differentiate themselves from the sea of Dozer sized low bar robots. There are just so many things to look at when considering an alliance partner and I feel that it will be a challenge especially for new teams.

[MrForbes]

In addition to the complexities of scouting, I can imagine that coaching is going to be challenging. Figuring out how to deal with all the defenses with each alliance's capabilities, coordinating when who goes where and which robot pushes which other robot through and who opens the door for whom when...plus the fun of getting everyone on the batter when it's time to challenge....

[sagi34]

Originally Posted by OccamzRazor

Totally agree with the scoring aspect being very easy to scout but thinking about all those low bar robots and how many field elements they need to interact with will make for a very interesting year since you will have to look for the robots that differentiate themselves from the sea of Dozer sized low bar robots. There are just so many things to look at when considering an alliance partner and I feel that it will be a challenge especially for new teams.

yes, it will be a challenge and this is the fun part
much better than 2015, and even better than 2014 in my opinion, I like games that require good scouting and strategy.

[Sperkowsky]

I put other since...

We can go under the low bar
Cross every defense without help other then The Sally Port, and Drawbridge.
Climb
Shoot High goals and low goals

We have finished the mechanisms to do everything but climb. The climber is slated to be finished at the end of this week.

[MrForbes]

I selected that we can do B/D defenses. But I also think that we can breach, since we don't have to do one category (that would be A for us), and we might be able to do C with alliance help.

Since this can be interpreted two ways, I am not very confident that the poll is an accurate reflection of what some folks think it is.

[evanperryg]

Originally Posted by MrForbes

Since this can be interpreted two ways, I am not very confident that the poll is an accurate reflection of what some folks think it is.

Advice taken, threw in a little edit in my original post to hopefully provide a little clarity. Regardless of possible misinterpretations, I think this poll still shows that a stunning number of teams plan on taking on the single hardest strategy available in this game, and only a select few have explicitly chosen to focus on one aspect of the game. Whether one particular strategy proves superior to the other will be proven in competition, but it seems we may have already made that decision ourselves.