MAR Competitions

[Carl_the_Llama]

Why are the officals in the MAR district so bad at their jobs? And why do the volunteers think theyre so much better than everyone?

[orangemoore]

Do you mind giving context/evidence to your claims? Because your post currently holds no value without a team number or name to put this statement too.

[Carl_the_Llama]

Originally Posted by orangemoore

Do you mind giving context/evidence to your claims? Because your post currently holds no value without a team number or name to put this statement too.

The head ref at the Hatboro-Horsham competitiom said and I quote, "You can't expect us to get all the calls right." Whats the point of the ref then?

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by Carl_the_Llama

The head ref at the Hatboro-Horsham competitiom said and I quote, "You can't expect us to get all the calls right." Whats the point of the ref then?

I hope that when you become an adult you volunteer to be a referee; only then will you understand how immatiure that sounds. In the meantime, unsupported claims by an anonymous poster don't carry much weight here.

[Carl_the_Llama]

Originally Posted by DonRotolo

I hope that when you become an adult you volunteer to be a referee; only then will you understand how immatiure that sounds. In the meantime, unsupported claims by an anonymous poster don't carry much weight here.

How would that make me an adult? Im 100% sure that the point of the ref is to get all the calls right. In football, teams expect the ref to get all the calls right. If we cant expect them to do so, we might as well just play by the honor system. Ill recant my statment about the volunteers thinking they are better but, I stand by my position on the refs.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Carl_the_Llama

The head ref at the Hatboro-Horsham competitiom said and I quote, "You can't expect us to get all the calls right." Whats the point of the ref then?

You do realize that you just now volunteered to be a ref, right?

[aashay2035]

They were several issues at the competition of scoring. Also the teams themselves were not getting points they deserved. (I personally knew of two separate times when this happened in eliminations.)
I believe that first should start implementing video replay if the teams request it. It should be elimination matches have video replays. If an alliance challenges and wins they can use it. But if they lose they will not have video replay to challenge. It gives fair chance to all teams that they diverse.

[EricH]

I just brought this up in another thread, but by suggesting video replay you also just volunteered as a ref.

FIRST doesn't allow it.
Technically, it's a big challenge (and there are numerous CD threads on the topic).
And finally, you seem to want to find out what it's like being a volunteer. VIMS is still accepting volunteers...

[whitetail]

Video replay needs to be a part of the matches of FIRST. I saw many people get foul at a MAR event and nothing was called.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by whitetail

Video replay needs to be a part of the matches of FIRST. I saw many people get foul at a MAR event and nothing was called.

See post above yours. You also just volunteered to referee.

Referees are also scorers in this game. You want them to focus solely on fouls, lobby HQ to make a game that doesn't rely on referees scoring stuff during the match.

[Rman1923]

You have to realize that this is one of the first weeks of competition and that this is the first time most of these refs are reffing the game. I'm sure that as the season progresses they will get better at noticing fouls (as well as teams getting better at not committing them). FIRST is also probably going to tweak the workforce so that the teams are better covered by refferees and everyone geta a fairer chance. Remember that Referees are people that they want what's best for the teams as well as what's fair for the teams. Keep in mind that they spend their weekends at events voluntarily and just want to make sure the game is played fairly and to have fun, not get yelled at by teams for making a bad call.

[DonRotolo]

OK, so Carl, Aashay and whitetail need to confirm they've signed up in VIMS for an event, right? Until then, I don't want to hear your whining.

[Carl_the_Llama]

Originally Posted by DonRotolo

OK, so Carl, Aashay and whitetail need to confirm they've signed up in VIMS for an event, right? Until then, I don't want to hear your whining.

I can definitely see you getting mad at a ref in football for making a wrong call. You expect them to get all if not 99.999999999999% of the calls right in football or any other sport, why should it be different for this?

[D_Price]

I concur Don!

Originally Posted by DonRotolo

OK, so Carl, Aashay and whitetail need to confirm they've signed up in VIMS for an event, right? Until then, I don't want to hear your whining.

While volunteering and mentoring I understand, in a stressful situation people let the best of their emotions get to them but please please for one day step into those VOLUNTEER shoes. They are human as is ourselves and will make mistakes, not on purpose but on our instincts.

[PayneTrain]

I think the snaps telling you that you volunteered yourself to be a referee aren't super productive, but as someone who is not a referee I guess I can't speak too much to it. Let's try to take a positive approach from the perspective as someone on a team.

Take the lessons learned from your experience in Week 1 and apply them the same way the GDC and its intertwined parties do. We went to a local district today to take notes on a variety of things. We were directly scouting 12 teams and tabulating things like average match turnaround for a team, potential symptoms of disconnects, number of field faults (I don't think there was ever a field fault), match cycle times, field discrepancies with regards to the team or official versions, and how referees were making calls. (I also know that I need to build up a tolerance or an escape plan for when one of those inane parody videos plays... sorry, not my scene)

We're expecting a similar crew at our event so we are taking our concerns proactively and hope to use our data to advocate for all teams at the event. Everyone needs to take an approach of "we're all in this together" or we'll inevitably rip this thing apart.