G43 enforcement level

[CalTran]

At Greater KC it was called frequently. The thing to note is that you have to make it abundantly clear to the referee that a part of your robot it within the Outerworks. Additionally, it wouldn't hurt to bring it up with the head ref during practice and alert them that it is a strategy you plan on pursuing.

[Rangel(kf7fdb)]

At Arizona North it was pretty good. A few times the call was missed but overall it was called enough that teams couldn't take advantage of this and give aggressive shoving to teams shooting from the outerworks.

[SenorZ]

This was called a lot at Los Angeles. Though there were a few times more that spectators thought it should have been called. It is hard for refs to watch three robots and see what sometimes was an inch of overhang.

[mac]

It was not enforced at district Walt Whitman and Battlefield High School. You know why? Because not one shot was taken from the Outer works.
God Bless Mentor Mac

[Boltman]

In Central Valley I never saw it called ..so don't expect protection

There were at least 5 decent-world class OW shooters in CV

[IronicDeadBird]

I feel like the only way to actually fully be protected under G43 you need to be doing that Fadeaway shot as you start moving into the outerworks and take the shot.

If you are moving to cross the outerworks the refs are looking for the G43.
If you are standing still and aiming I think refs are more looking to see if your shot follows all the rules.

I'm not saying shooting from the outerworks does not have you covered with G43, I'm just saying that depending upon how a ref is looking at your robot determines what rules they are applying to it at the time. The traversal part of the rule makes me read it as you need to be moving, I'd be interested in seeing how many refs agree with that.

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by Boltman

In Central Valley I never saw it called ..so don't expect protection

There were at least 5 decent-world class OW shooters in CV

In our first 2 QFs, we accumulated 25 pts in G43 fouls while we were shooting. It's one of the reasons why opposing alliances gave up blocking us the rest of elims.

I was watching pretty closely, and few if any other teams (including 254) were shooting from the actual OW position--they were often close, but didn't pull all the way back into contact when they shot. I saw fouls called when it did happen. In qualifying we were often off the OW when we got hit--I don't remember a time when a foul was missed on us for that reason.

If you can give me some example matches where bots were in the OW and fouls were being missed, I'd be interested to see my recollection is off.

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad

In our first 2 QFs, we accumulated 25 pts in G43 fouls while we were shooting. It's one of the reasons why opposing alliances gave up blocking us the rest of elims.

I was watching pretty closely, and few if any other teams (including 254) were shooting from the actual OW position--they were often close, but didn't pull all the way back into contact when they shot. I saw fouls called when it did happen. In qualifying we were often off the OW when we got hit--I don't remember a time when a foul was missed on us for that reason.

If you can give me some example matches where bots were in the OW and fouls were being missed, I'd be interested to see my recollection is off.

Perhaps I was not paying close enough attention ..it seems it was more against 1323 and 5817 from my recollection you and 254 did not to seem to be as bothered perhaps due to the earlier calls I missed.

[anishde]

At the NYC Regional we lost our fifth match on what I believe was a G43 (it may have been another foul), but as it seemed one team on our alliance rammed a red alliance robot into the outer works while attempting to defend against the shooter.