[FUN] FRC Top 40 Week 2 and Rant About Replays

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Richard Wallace

Interesting! So, using robot wheel 'sinkage' relative to mean field level as our metric, the deepest event so far would be 1992 in Manchester! And the shallowest would be any event in 2009.

But 2009 featured the only confirmed water game. So it by default is the deepest.

You know, if it had actually happened.

[Citrus Dad]

I won't opine on whether 5137 should be in the top 25 or 40, but I think I'm in a valid position to comment on 5137 vs 2 other teams from CVR that were ranked above 5137. 5137 clearly outperformed 701 Robovikes (who helped found 1678 and to whom we feel strong allegiance). They had similar designs, yet 5137 outranked 701 and advanced to the SFs over 701's QF. 5817 had an amazing robot for a rookie team, but 5137 played a more well-rounded game and did better at managing its alliances to get to the #3 rank despite playing then No. 1 seed twice and the No.2 once. Their SF match was really about 973 v 1323 (who are ranked above them).

But to go further, notably absent from the ranking are 812 and 3482, who played on par with 973 and 1323 in our scouting data. In fact 812 was 3rd on our scouting data list.

It's too bad that 5137's season is done and they will miss the opportunity for further recognition.

[Poseidon5817]

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad

...Their SF match was really about 973 v 1323...

While I agree that 1323 and 973 were both important parts of their alliances, 5137 and 5817 were also equally important. I won't speak for 5137, but in our matches with 1323 we shot 4-5 boulders a match at 90% accuracy, plus a high goal in auto. To say that 1323 and 973 were the only contenders in the semis is false, as evidenced by the ~110% point increase after we repaired and came back in SF2-2.

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by Boltman

I don't fill out any top 40/25 sheet because I have no clue how to do that accurately too many slots open to personal bias on teams who's # you remember from last year.

Why not shorten your list to top 10 world wide in current year + top 10 in your events area each week of those you actually witnessed to get a better accuracy then meld the two lists together for a top 25/40?

A 25 slot list is not ideal because no one really has a clue how to accurately fill it out. I think lists of 10 people can handle better with less "historic" bias.

You might actually get a better top 40 list as swayed by popularity ratings. Experts have bias too.

Just like in real elections. You don't vote you can't complain. So please stop complaining, as your opinion is now invalid.

[Andrew Schreiber]

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann

Just like in real elections. You don't vote you can't complain. So please stop complaining, as your opinion is now invalid.

Now?

[Pauline Tasci]

Originally Posted by Boltman

I disagree I'll put 5817 on any of the three lists they have listed in OP... over some of the more popular teams. They are definitely a top 40 in world team this year (through week 2) . I have zero doubt of that seeing them in action. (Cycle times, swerve , deadly OW shot)

So its not really a "top 40" is it? When it seems required to "do well consistently" which has nothing to do with this year..so it is a popularity team #'s you remember list that no one can realistically fill out accurately for the current year.

Not 5817's fault no one really knows about them yet nationwide for a poll

Should be "Top 40 historic teams you remember from previous years doing OK this year list"

Yes previous wins deems success but discounts newer rookie teams doing well in current year so take any top 40 with a grain of salt.

BTW congrats 2485 love your designs every season your team received a well deserved engineering award this season, enjoy the worlds.

Boltman, I have played with your team since your inception. And although your kids are very excited about FIRST and without a doubt build good machines. The consistency is not near what those of 254,1114, and more.
Your claim no one knows and you're one of the best teams is insane.
In our 3rd year Code Orange won a division and got on Top 25 and got posted all over Chief. You work hard, you get results.
I'd suggest you sit with your kids, get them to have the best robot in the world and you'll be talked about.

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by Andrew Schreiber

Now?

No, but if I said what I really wanted to i'd probably be booted from CD...

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann

No, but if I said what I really wanted to i'd probably be booted from CD...

Hasn't got me kicked off of CD yet....

[Doug G]

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad

I won't opine on whether 5137 should be in the top 25 or 40, but I think I'm in a valid position to comment on 5137 vs 2 other teams from CVR that were ranked above 5137. 5137 clearly outperformed 701 Robovikes (who helped found 1678 and to whom we feel strong allegiance). They had similar designs, yet 5137 outranked 701 and advanced to the SFs over 701's QF. 5817 had an amazing robot for a rookie team, but 5137 played a more well-rounded game and did better at managing its alliances to get to the #3 rank despite playing then No. 1 seed twice and the No.2 once. Their SF match was really about 973 v 1323 (who are ranked above them).

But to go further, notably absent from the ranking are 812 and 3482, who played on par with 973 and 1323 in our scouting data. In fact 812 was 3rd on our scouting data list.

It's too bad that 5137's season is done and they will miss the opportunity for further recognition.

Yeah, I found it kinda funny we got a vote, and we spent a couple of matches in the "tortuga" position at CVR. Goes to show you how making a good looking reveal video can get recognition before you actually compete. Anyhow, we look forward to an improved performance in weeks 4 and 5.

[Michael Corsetto]

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann

No, but if I said what I really wanted to i'd probably be booted from CD...

Just make an anonymous account called "WisconsinCoastCheeseCoast" and you can say whatever you want!

-Mike

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto

Just make an anonymous account called "WisconsinCoastCheeseCoast" and you can say whatever you want!

-Mike

I'll be back in 5 min...

[Michael Corsetto]

Originally Posted by Doug G

Yeah, I found it kinda funny we got a vote, and we spent a couple of matches in the "tortuga" position at CVR. Goes to show you how making a good looking reveal video can get recognition before you actually compete. Anyhow, we look forward to an improved performance in weeks 4 and 5.

We're excited to compete with you guys in Sac! I hope we get to play on the same side of glass at least once!

-Mike

[Tyler Olds]

Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto

Just make an anonymous account called "WisconsinCoastCheeseCoast" and you can say whatever you want!

-Mike

MidwestIsTheBest ? Areas of the midwest that are not district? Hmmmm

[MARS_James]

Originally Posted by Boltman

LOL like I said all these top polls are basically popularity contests.

Is there an element of popularity that comes with these contests, yes, is it pure popularity, no. While 179 and 4451 are well known teams and had an advantage competing at the only event in week .5, no one can say that 179 is more popular than 33, 67 or 359 who we out ranked or that 4451 is more popular than 1023, 25, or 341 who they our ranked.

What I think is more telling and you should take more issue with is that West Coast Best Coast, who was doing satire sure but was focusing on California did not highlight your team. If the satirist from your state doesn't notice your team, how do you expect for the general populous to?

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

Hasn't got me kicked off of CD yet....

I agree with Adam here, so long as you keep your language to a PG movie you should be fine. Heck if you speak your mind like Adam you may one day get a WFFA award, (Congrats Adam btw)

[Boltman]

Originally Posted by paunatime

Boltman, I have played with your team since your inception. And although your kids are very excited about FIRST and without a doubt build good machines. The consistency is not near what those of 254,1114, and more.
Your claim no one knows and you're one of the best teams is insane.
In our 3rd year Code Orange won a division and got on Top 25 and got posted all over Chief. You work hard, you get results.
I'd suggest you sit with your kids, get them to have the best robot in the world and you'll be talked about.

Code Orange challenge accepted....

We love doing this each season of course we'll be back to mix it up again with some of the best teams anywhere on this planet. I'll see you play in OC got an eye on you and to make sure all bots get their earned crossings. Getting my eyes checked today.

Like I said I like to make waves online its part of the fun. I try to be helpful too as payback to the wider community. Its all in good fun.