Alliance picks declined

[catmanjake]

From what I have seen at most regionals, there are 2 or 3 top teams usually with team #1 picking team #2 and winning. Has anyone seen where team #2 has declined to form their own alliance and, if so, how did it work for them?

[Peyton Yeung]

This happened in 2013 at champs. 1678 seeded first on Curie and was declined by many of the other alliance captains. This disrupted many of the other alliances in the division.

[jajabinx124]

Originally Posted by Peyton Yeung

This happened in 2013 at champs. 1678 seeded first on Curie and was declined by many of the other alliance captains. This disrupted many of the other alliances in the division.

I think they were trying to break some powerhouse potential alliances rather than be with the teams they picked.. a lot of scorched earth

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by jajabinx124

I think they were trying to break some powerhouse potential alliances rather than be with the teams they picked.. a lot of scorched earth

We would have been thrilled if 1717 or 2056 had accepted our invite. However, they hadn't worked through the game theoretic outcomes about what was going to happen as other teams declined us as well, which we were pretty sure was going to happen. Fortunately, the Curie field was very deep and 148 was a perfect match for us.

If you don't seed 1st, don't expect the higher seeds to roll over for you so that you can build your own desired alliance. They will control the draft however they can. Qualifications matter.

[Brian Maher]

At the Finger Lakes Regional, team 5240 (#4 alliance captain) was declined by 20 (#5 alliance captain). Team 20 selected 639 and 1405 and won the regional.

[Zac Schofield]

A Similar situation happened at Reading Event this year when 133 (Rank 3) declined an invitation from 4905 (Rank 2) to form their own alliance. 133 (with 4761 and 4474) lost against 4905 (with 3930 and 1699) in the Semis.

[Hikel team 319]

Originally Posted by Zac Schofield

A Similar situation happened at Reading Event this year when 133 (Rank 3) declined an invitation from 4905 (Rank 2) to form their own alliance. 133 (with 4761 and 4474) lost against 4905 (with 3930 and 1699) in the Semis.

Actually the number one seed 319 invited the number 3 ranked 133. 133 declined which made them unavailable for the number 2 ranked 4905.
319 selected the 5 seed, 1058, and with a 3rd pick of rookie team 6161 went on to defeat the number 2 alliance in the finals.

[Jay O'Donnell]

Originally Posted by Hikel team 319

Actually the number one seed 319 invited the number 3 ranked 133. 133 declined which made them unavailable for the number 2 ranked 4905.
319 selected the 5 seed, 1058, and with a 3rd pick of rookie team 6161 went on to defeat the number 2 alliance in the finals.

I've been wondering about this decline for a while. Not sure why 133 wouldn't want 319.

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by Jay O'Donnell

I've been wondering about this decline for a while. Not sure why 133 wouldn't want 319.

The end of qualifications at Reading were quite crazy. After our last match really expected BERT to be the number one seed. In their last match they needed three ranking points and we thought they would surely achieve it. However in a round about way they ended up in a situation where they were going for a capture without a breach. Unfortunately for them, one of their alliance partners rolled off the batter and they only got two ranking points, leaving them in third place rather than first.

From what I heard they thought that SMART would make a better complement to their robot, and denied our pick (maybe assuming we'd pick 4905 and Smart would be available for them... Purely speculation). We opted to go with 1058 and then Smart was picked up by 4905.

This resulted in a very evenly balanced set of elimination rounds as 1, 2, and 3 each went on to form their own alliance. We would have loved to team up with BERT but it made for a great afternoon nonetheless.

[Jamesa47]

Originally Posted by mwtidd

From what I heard they thought that SMART would make a better complement to their robot, and denied our pick (maybe assuming we'd pick 4905 and Smart would be available for them... Purely speculation). We opted to go with 1058 and then Smart was picked up by 4905.

I was 4761's rep on the field during alliance selection, and that's what I was told by 133 if I remember correctly. I personally disagree with their decision to decline, but it wasn't clear either way. Having 1058 and 3930 both in the lower top 10 would have made for a really fun afternoon whether or not 133 declined your request.

Also, congrats on winning the event (and UNH)!

[TedG]

Originally Posted by mwtidd

The end of qualifications at Reading were quite crazy. After our last match really expected BERT to be the number one seed. In their last match they needed three ranking points and we thought they would surely achieve it. However in a round about way they ended up in a situation where they were going for a capture without a breach. Unfortunately for them, one of their alliance partners rolled off the batter and they only got two ranking points, leaving them in third place rather than first.

From what I heard they thought that SMART would make a better complement to their robot, and denied our pick (maybe assuming we'd pick 4905 and Smart would be available for them... Purely speculation). We opted to go with 1058 and then Smart was picked up by 4905.

This resulted in a very evenly balanced set of elimination rounds as 1, 2, and 3 each went on to form their own alliance. We would have loved to team up with BERT but it made for a great afternoon nonetheless.

I don't know the all the details either, but yes, the drive team and scouting captain had a plan that fell through at Reading, it was our loss. This is one of those "learning experiences" that FIRST is known for.

Team 319 (and your alliance partners) did awesome in Reading and congratulations on your wins this season.

[Dan Petrovic]

Originally Posted by TedG

I don't know the all the details either, but yes, the drive team and scouting captain had a plan that fell through at Reading, it was our loss. This is one of those "learning experiences" that FIRST is known for.

Team 319 (and your alliance partners) did awesome in Reading and congratulations on your wins this season.

Well, it all worked out for you in the end at Pine Tree! You'd be crazy not to accept an invitation from 1519. You guys were great all weekend and we were hoping that we would get to be on an alliance with you, but we all knew that you'd be the #1 overall pick.

And I know this is off-topic, but it has to be said: I really like competing in Maine because the teams up there are all so great and yours is no exception. The sportsmanship that 133 showed towards us before, during, and after all of the elimination matches was amazing!

[RoboChair]

Originally Posted by Peyton Yeung

This happened in 2013 at champs. 1678 seeded first on Curie and was declined by many of the other alliance captains. This disrupted many of the other alliances in the division.

4 teams declined, our team captain had a hard time keeping a straight face at the end.

[cjl2625]

On Galileo last year, 2836 seeded first, and 2056 second.

2836 picks 2056. 2056 declines. 2836 picks 525 (seed #3). 525 declines. 2836 picks 2067 (seed #4). 2067 accepts.

2056 picks 330 (seed 11) and dominates the field, winning the division. (In finals against alliance 6)

525 picks seed #37.

2836/2067 lose in the semis.
525 loses in the quarters.

[snoman]

In the few I have watched the #1 alliance did not win. This is just a observation I have no hard data at this point