A video guide to playing shutdown defense in Stronghold

[Alex Cormier]

Originally Posted by wobblymint

i will try to get you the video.

Here's what our video team has offered. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDH...TNU4b_rGHTVFjg

[Louisiana Jones]

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier

Here's what our video team has offered. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDH...TNU4b_rGHTVFjg

Nice, I'd hope that with enough successful defensive robots that maybe teams will start to see this as a viable strategy.

[Alex Cormier]

Originally Posted by Louisiana Jones

Nice, I'd hope that with enough successful defensive robots that maybe teams will start to see this as a viable strategy.

Yeah. In our finals two match we actually sheared all 6 bolts that were holding on the sprockets to our first chain driven wheel. I think by the looks of driving, we did some damage in the semis as well.

[Dezion]

Originally Posted by Louisiana Jones

The following videos shows 5098 defending against the 5th seeded alliance who had breached and captured in both their QF matches to move into the semifinal matches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMiPcmWgq0Q

Does anyone know what the penalty at 1:50 is for?

[waialua359]

Tune your robots to fire over 4 1/2 ft blockers from the Outerworks folks. And drop your appendage if you have to, to create more space between the defender and your robot.
If you have a low robot linear shooter, that will definitely present some problems as we saw this past week at some events. Everyone should have seen that coming though.

[Louisiana Jones]

Originally Posted by waialua359

Tune your robots to fire over 4 1/2 ft blockers from the Outerworks folks. And drop your appendage if you have to, to create more space between the defender and your robot.
If you have a low robot linear shooter, that will definitely present some problems as we saw this past week at some events. Everyone should have seen that coming though.

Some people are stubborn, and just think they can somehow just outdrive their way to victory.

Even if you can shoot over the 4.5 foot tall opaque blocker (still legal) many teams will still have to deal with the tall robot blocking their low camera/vision tracking systems if they are mounted low.

[The FRC King]

One of the most exciting games to play and i have to admit what an amazing defense by 5098, we always thought about the strategy but were never able to execute it. Since we weren't able to shoot from outerworks or batter we only had the option to score low goals which also very difficult against such a good defensive robot. Congratulations 1806, 4857, and 5098! what an alliance to play against.

[Louisiana Jones]

Originally Posted by The FRC King

One of the most exciting games to play and i have to admit what an amazing defense by 5098, we always thought about the strategy but were never able to execute it. Since we weren't able to shoot from outerworks or batter we only had the option to score low goals which also very difficult against such a good defensive robot. Congratulations 1806, 4857, and 5098! what an alliance to play against.

Our biggest concern was trying to defend against both you and 4522 since you shot from different positions. Unfortunately we didn't get that opportunity since 4522 had issues in both matches. Not sure how things would have turned out then, but I'm sure both matches would have been very close.

[SharonO]

Originally Posted by Louisiana Jones

Our biggest concern was trying to defend against both you and 4522 since you shot from different positions. Unfortunately we didn't get that opportunity since 4522 had issues in both matches. Not sure how things would have turned out then, but I'm sure both matches would have been very close.

I have to admit, watching from home, I was really looking forward to the finals matches between teams we have formed friendships with over the years. It was hard to choose who to root for. I was so disappointed to see 4522 sitting still after autonomous. I believe the finals would have been very exciting if all six robots were in action.

[hardcopi]

My team has been debating, with the exception of the pinning rule is it illegal to just push the defender into the moat? For a defender to be mobile they are usually kit-bot style chassis (not always I know) and I am pretty sure we can push them (provided we aren't on the batter) anywhere we want to in 1st gear.

Not talking about breaking their robot just pushing them out of the way.

[Louisiana Jones]

Originally Posted by hardcopi

My team has been debating, with the exception of the pinning rule is it illegal to just push the defender into the moat? For a defender to be mobile they are usually kit-bot style chassis (not always I know) and I am pretty sure we can push them (provided we aren't on the batter) anywhere we want to in 1st gear.

Not talking about breaking their robot just pushing them out of the way.

There would be some penalties for pushing them into the moat, I'm not sure how it would be called, but it is illegal for them to make contact with you while in the outerworks, but you may get called for pushing them into the moat to intentionally draw a penalty.

[BenBernard]

It is illegal for them to make conact with you while YOU are in the outerworks. If you push THEM into the outerworks without entering the outerworks yourself, I don't see any rule violations (nor did the refs at the couple of matches where I saw this happen).

[Louisiana Jones]

Originally Posted by BenBernard

It is illegal for them to make conact with you while YOU are in the outerworks. If you push THEM into the outerworks without entering the outerworks yourself, I don't see any rule violations (nor did the refs at the couple of matches where I saw this happen).

I guess depending on the size of your robot and the robot you push you might not have to enter the outerworks yourself to push someone into them, but even if just your bumpers cross the plane of the outerworks a penalty of some kind should be called.

I think if you are able to move a robot around the field without them being able to control their movements at all a pin should be called.

[Louisiana Jones]

Originally Posted by Dezion

Does anyone know what the penalty at 1:50 is for?

We asked because this was called twice, and the penalty was overturned because the side official was confused about a rule. In short there was no foul there.

[Dezion]

Originally Posted by Louisiana Jones

We asked because this was called twice, and the penalty was overturned because the side official was confused about a rule. In short there was no foul there.

Ah. Thank you.