Eclipse Sucks.

[johnny_Bet]

Hello everyone!
Team 4643's season is officially over. You know what that means, time to start working toward next season. Now, the question. Is it possible to use any editor besides eclipse? I don't enjoy using it. It is one of my least favorite editors. If not I can deal. But if there is any other editor that works you should let me know! Thanks!

[engunneer]

what part of it don't you like? My students hated it until they learned the bits where a good editor can really save you time (like jumping to definitions, and such)

[Hitchhiker 42]

Originally Posted by johnny_Bet

Hello everyone!
Team 4643's season is officially over. You know what that means, time to start working toward next season. Now, the question. Is it possible to use any editor besides eclipse? I don't enjoy using it. It is one of my least favorite editors. If not I can deal. But if there is any other editor that works you should let me know! Thanks!

You could just use a text editor (maybe?) like Sublime but I wouldn't recommend it.

[Jaci]

If you're working in Java, you can use IntelliJ IDEA like I do. There's a Gradle Plugin that supports FRC development.

[SoftwareBug2.0]

Originally Posted by Hitchhiker 42

You could just use a text editor (maybe?) like Sublime but I wouldn't recommend it.

This is what our team does - not Sublime specifically - we have mostly a mix of vim and gedit.

[spat]

For most of my development I use Qt Creator, as it is a fairly simple, but complete C++ IDE. I only use Eclipse when I need to deploy the code to the robot.

Just note that Qt Creator is a C++ IDE, for the moment it lacks support for Java.

[Ozuru]

Originally Posted by SoftwareBug2.0

This is what our team does - not Sublime specifically - we have mostly a mix of vim and gedit.

Are you serious? I'll keep your poor students in my prayers.

[SoftwareBug2.0]

Originally Posted by Ozuru

Are you serious? I'll keep your poor students in my prayers.

But I haven't even told you about our build system yet: A python script automatically generating makefiles.

[bdaroz]

Originally Posted by SoftwareBug2.0

But I haven't even told you about our build system yet: A python script automatically generating makefiles.

Is your team sponsored by Rube Goldberg?

[SoftwareBug2.0]

Originally Posted by bdaroz

Is your team sponsored by Rube Goldberg?

I just got tired of having students who could tell me about vision tracking but couldn't use the command line well enough to get "Hello World" working without an IDE.

[bdaroz]

Originally Posted by SoftwareBug2.0

I just got tired of having students who could tell me about vision tracking but couldn't use the command line well enough to get "Hello World" working without an IDE.

The irony is our lead programmer handled the git cli interface far better than the eclipse one.

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by bdaroz

The irony is our lead programmer handled the git cli interface far better than the eclipse one.

I don't think it's ironic - I think it's brilliant. In Windows, the Git Bash shell is a MAJOR step up from Eclipse, but that's not Eclipse's fault. Git effectively put bash, grep, sed, and many other Linux goodies into Windows without all of the heavyweight overhead that Cygwin imposed. (Sorry for the presumption of developing in Windows...)
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I've used Eclipse professionally for a decade and the only problem I've ever had with it was the lack of Git-CLI integration directly into a project. Otherwise it's fine, and it's particularly powerful on the remote debugging side of things.

Personally, I wouldn't force my vision kids to care about CLI-compiling their 2nd-order differential equations . But I'm sure there was a point to be made somewhere in there.

[AlexanderTheOK]

Originally Posted by SoftwareBug2.0

I just got tired of having students who could tell me about vision tracking but couldn't use the command line well enough to get "Hello World" working without an IDE.

OK but seriously, I've used vim exactly once for a period of a month, and that was entirely because of necessity. (offboard processor, didn't want to connect it to a monitor.) I really don't know why anyone would use it in FRC because the only people I know who use it proficiently are people who already spent an entire decade with it and know its ins and outs.

There is absolutely no reason to put a high school student through learning vim.

[virtuald]

Originally Posted by AlexanderTheOK

OK but seriously, I've used vim exactly once for a period of a month, and that was entirely because of necessity. (offboard processor, didn't want to connect it to a monitor.)
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There is absolutely no reason to put a high school student through learning vim.

This is precisely why you should teach a high school student to use basic VIM -- hitting 'i' and ':wq' isn't that hard.

[tcjinaz]

Originally Posted by virtuald

This is precisely why you should teach a high school student to use basic VIM -- hitting 'i' and ':wq' isn't that hard.

I thought it was <esc>:wq
or is that plain old VI? Plain old VI is an important skill, because sometimes one does not have a GUIish (well, better than VT-100) connection to that machine you're talking to.

I'm an Emacs guy at work, somewhat because of its genealogy back to TECO,

I'm liking the comments about getting the kids on the command line. I'm tired of newbe MSEE's showing up to their first real job with absolutely no clue what can happen through the Unix/Linux (pick your shell, no religious arguments please) command line, which is the core of how we design semiconductors.

Tim