What will FRC 2016 Stronghold be remembered by?

[jojoguy10]

[Citrus Dad]

Originally Posted by jojoguy10

Red cards were a bigger deal in 2013 in Ultimate Ascent. And 2014 had 50 point penalties that were basically red card equivalents. This year was mild in comparison.

[PayneTrain]

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad

Red cards were a bigger deal in 2013 in Ultimate Ascent. And 2014 had 50 point penalties that were basically red card equivalents. This year was mild in comparison.

Can't ever forget the legendary pillar of FRC Game Design: the double red card in Logomotion.

[Roboshant]

I think the reason that we are focusing so much on fouls, is the fact that they were so influential in the outcome of champs.

[mjc49]

For me, there are a lot of highlights which I think this year will be remembered by. I'm so grateful to have been in the stands to watch 330's remarkable semifinal performance and share in the energy of that moment. Also Will i Am and a Finals tiebreaker decided by a single penalty (please change the first tie breaker to something not subjective).

Personally I will also remember being inspired when I felt burned out. I was inspired by my team who managed to repair a robot that was beat up and along with our alliance partners 2823, 3130 and 2415, take 2056, 1690, 3015 & 1405 to a tie-breaker on Tesla during Semi's.

[Pault]

Originally Posted by Citrus Dad

Red cards were a bigger deal in 2013 in Ultimate Ascent. And 2014 had 50 point penalties that were basically red card equivalents. This year was mild in comparison.

In addition, regular penalties felt very fair this year. I found that the 5 points was usually just enough to compensate an alliance for the points they could have scored if the opposing alliance didn't commit that foul, plus a little extra to discourage teams from pushing the boundaries of committng a foul.

[BenjiSG]

Newton being stacked, having its 7th seed win, and then going out in quarters on Einstein. What a journey.

[emeraldstorm]

Originally Posted by BenjiSG

Newton being stacked, having its 7th seed win, and then going out in quarters on Einstein. What a journey.

This. I could(n't) believe how many favorites were knocked out so early. Especially (610/973/319/2474), (1114/27/20), with Newton alliances (118/1519/3309/1519), (16/2614/4001), (67/5172/1477), and the obvious (254/1241/708/1731).

[Adithya Balaji]

I know personally I will remember this year by this moment:


But on a serious note, the amount abuse that robots sustained from this year's contest was insane. By the end of our district champs we had hubs chipping, gears shearing, and belts slipping just to name a few. Only the most rugged robots survived this year's contest. We did have our fair share of fun ripping defenses out of their bases though

[Drakxii]

One of the best FRC games. A game that great for all tiers of play while being both complex and rough. Even though the game was tarnished by ties and red cards.

Side Note: This game would be a great frame work for another game. Would just need to change the defenses, game piece and tower configuration.

[coalhot]

For me, inconsistent reffing (across district, DCMP and champs), and the game being treated like battlebots...

Bring on 2017!

[Ginger Power]

I think when the dust settles and people are looking back on Stronghold from a distance it'll go down as one of the best FIRST games of all time. Red cards, fouls, mocking up defenses... I think most of those things will be forgotten by all but a few diehards (aka the people on this forum).

We can take some very important (and amazing) things away from Stronghold:

Some of the greatest matches in the history of FIRST. Whenever I'm selling the program to others I'm going to pull out the video of 330's otherworldly match. Fall down, don't give up, get back up and win. I feel so blessed to have seen that match in person. Greatest sporting moment I've ever seen especially considering where it led them.

Most teams have an incredible demo bot now. Big pneumatic wheels, a powerful shooter that fires a dodgeball... I don't know about other teams, but I know for a fact that 4607 will be playing dodgeball against our robot and practice robot. Plus those big pneumatic wheels are great for driving off road. We'll be driving our robot out onto the football field and in parades. Something we wouldn't do with 4" omni wheels. I'm excited for the marketing possibilities that this year's robots provide.

We all now have access to a soundbite that will undoubtedly make it loud. When Will.i.am said #tsimfd the people around me went absolutely insane. They weren't upset at the crude language. They were in absolute agreement. We all know what FIRST is. We all know how freaking incredible the program is. Will.i.am just went ahead and said what we all know to be true. I can't wait to show that clip to people.

Stronghold was one for the ages. It certainly brought energy back to FRC after that 2015 Game (whatever it was called) tried to suck the life out of it. I could see a Robozone-esque show on ESPN with highlights of Stronghold. I was sitting behind some older ladies who seemed to be outsiders to FIRST (no relation to teams + new to FIRST) and they were biting their knuckles and freaking out with the rest of us during those playoffs. There really isn't an audience that this game/program doesn't get to in some way. Very marketable game. Let's hope the GDC can keep up the great work.

[maxnz]

I will definitely remember the field faults. And 330's amazing semifinal match. That is one that will not be forgotten easily.

And how fun it was to watch our bot literally bounce over the defenses.

[pmangels17]

I'll remember it as a fantastic recovery from the 2015 game, and consider it an extension of the GDC's excellent streak that started in 2010 (some would argue 2012) for fantastic games. Stronghold has been an absolute blast to watch. It's design challenges were unique, and the Stronghold game produced a diverse field of creative designs to play the game. So many different and wonderful strategies and robots came from this game. The vision challenge was actually really meaningful and impactful this year. The finals were exciting at both the district/regional and championship level. The game was complex and nuanced, yet I could still explain it to someone in a couple sentences. The theming was actually really fun, and it was great to see the teams who ran with it all the way. In my mind, FIRST Stronghold was a gleaming success for FRC. I won't remember it as the year of fouls. There are fouls every year (2014) but that didn't detract from the overall fantastic gameplay that Stronghold provided.

[Moo Chew]

Maybe field damage; how many field elements were damaged... or the penalties/red cards.��