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Re: pic: SERGE: Shirt-Ejecting Robot for General Entertainment

This is super cool, I love it! The fasteners in the CAD really give it a finished look. Have you thought about getting a grant to make this or something similar?

Just a few things many things I have notes about:
1. Are wheeled shooters good for this sort of thing? I don't have any experience with shooting t-shirts but I vaguely remember something about marring or unravelling them. Love the way you can adjust the shooter wheels though, although you might want to make them 3/8" thick or heavy, at least.
2. What is the linear slide on the bottom for? It appears to have low ground clearance.
EDIT: Is that for articulate the turret up and down?
3. Why rack and pinion instead of just a pneumatic cylinder? More speed? In any case I like your carriage a lot, but I can't see the side bearing supports- is there a plastic bearing surface on the sides there?
4. Your corners are held together with just a single plate on the swerve modules. Can you add a 2x1 or something there as support?
5. Love the dual battery mounts, very well packaged. You make good use of the way the swerve drive elevates the chassis.
6. Your swerve drive might have a couple extra gears, but apart from that it looks very cheap and easy to make. Why not use timing belts for the first stage instead of a long chain of gears?
7. Love the two sizes of motors and wheels for the shooter.
8. The placement of the of Victors is neat!
9. Are your sensors in CAD yet?

EDIT: apparently you've already answered some of my questions in your other photos... whoops. After looking at the swerve module however, are you sure it's safe to use a window motor to rotate the module at >160rpm without stalling or overheating?
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Re: pic: SERGE: Shirt-Ejecting Robot for General Entertainment

Cool! I love the idea of a swerve drive demonstration bot. You will be able to put on a real show, dancing across the turf before launching shirts.
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Re: pic: SERGE: Shirt-Ejecting Robot for General Entertainment

Those look like Colson 4x2" wheels on the swerve modules? How well do Colson wheels perform on tile/concrete/asphalt/grass/gym floor?
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Those look like Colson 4x2" wheels on the swerve modules? How well do Colson wheels perform on tile/concrete/asphalt/grass/gym floor?
Swerve on asphalt or grass is a little iffy to me. On a gym floor however these will preform fine and colsons are probably the best option for durability.
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Swerve on asphalt or grass is a little iffy to me. On a gym floor however these will preform fine and colsons are probably the best option for durability.
Yeah, I'd say the wheels the OP chose are by far the best for the situation, but it's something to consider. Can the swerve capabilities be disabled for driving on certain terrains?
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Can the swerve capabilities be disabled for driving on certain terrains?
That would effectively turn it into a standard 4 wheel tank drive, which might actually be worse for turning due to the scrub it would induce than just staying with swerve enabled.
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Yeah, I'd say the wheels the OP chose are by far the best for the situation, but it's something to consider. Can the swerve capabilities be disabled for driving on certain terrains?
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That would effectively turn it into a standard 4 wheel tank drive, which might actually be worse for turning due to the scrub it would induce than just staying with swerve enabled.
There are other possibilities - you could do an automotive or fire truck style steering setup, for example.
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That would effectively turn it into a standard 4 wheel tank drive, which might actually be worse for turning due to the scrub it would induce than just staying with swerve enabled.
Depends a lot on wheelbase considerations... Looks like it's a square, or nearly so, so turning shouldn't be as bad as if it was a long-base. And there's always the possibility of a "spin-in-place" mode that would allow for quick turns.
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Nice looking shirt bot!
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Re: pic: SERGE: Shirt-Ejecting Robot for General Entertainment

Regarding the corners...

I see you're using one big beefy 1/4" gusset (which is the swerve plate as well). I'm a little leary and would consider running another crossbracing underneath in the corners, to take torsion in the siderails better.. Unless you already have that? Hard to tell.
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Cool! I love the idea of a swerve drive demonstration bot. You will be able to put on a real show, dancing across the turf before launching shirts.
This is very much so the goal! We're looking to use this robot, once fully built and tested, for promotional purposes on Columbia University's campus and during competitions to excite crowds and promote interest in the maker community at Columbia.

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Depends a lot on wheelbase considerations... Looks like it's a square, or nearly so, so turning shouldn't be as bad as if it was a long-base. And there's always the possibility of a "spin-in-place" mode that would allow for quick turns.
It's actually a triangle! Spinning in place is our easiest way of approaching turning right now.

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I see you're using one big beefy 1/4" gusset (which is the swerve plate as well). I'm a little leary and would consider running another crossbracing underneath in the corners, to take torsion in the siderails better.. Unless you already have that? Hard to tell.
We will definitely need to reinforce how those rails are braced together. The frontmost rail is support entirely by two swerve modules and the 1/4" ABS bellypan, but since we also expect it to take the brunt of impacts from terrain, we'll be adding additional gussets to strengthen that structure.
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Re: pic: SERGE: Shirt-Ejecting Robot for General Entertainment

Thanks for the answers! Love the picture of the prototype shooter and can't wait to see this thing finished! I have access to a laser cutter at the college I'm going to, so your work with it is very relevant to stuff that I could make in college.
You may want to add an extra set of mounting holes for the linear actuator (not 100% sure on that) but I'm sure testing will clear up any issues. Worst case you can always stick a DART in anyway.
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Re: pic: SERGE: Shirt-Ejecting Robot for General Entertainment

Great concept and design! any chance to get a closer look at the swerve modules?
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Great concept and design! any chance to get a closer look at the swerve modules?
Thank you. The design of the swerve modules has not changed significantly since my last image.
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