Which game would be most epic if replayed with 2016 tech and rules?

[Billfred]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

I think it's 2008 for sure. Having unlimited 775pros and MiniCIMs in a game that required driving very fast and launching a very heavy object would be a game changer.

In 2008 you basically only had 2 Fisherprice motors, 2 RS-550 Motors, & 4 CIM motors.

The motor rules alone would make this game so much more fun to watch.

At the same time, the top lapbots like 148 and 102 were already so fast that they were on the ragged edge of control with those motors. To add more power and thus more speed to those kinds of robots would be genuinely dangerous.

Originally Posted by Ty Tremblay

71 couldn't have existed with current rules in the 2002 game. Their file card drive would have been illegal due to metal being used for traction. Which robot would have been next in line to dominate?

We're in what-if mode; throw me a bone.

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis

I mean, we basically played 2006 again in 2012 and 2013. If 2006 was 100% recycled again I bet the muzzle velocity rule would go away, as it was probably an artifact of the fact it was the first shooting game of the modern era.

When is FIRST Frenzy (2004) going to get its long overdue repeat?! It's time we raise the bar.

We did, and we didn't. One of the things I loved about Aim High was the unlimited possession. Firing one ball off is neat, but having that many balls in play on a wide-open field meant a very different game. Do you spray-and-pray to get rid of a ton of balls quickly, like 95 did? Do you ramp camp like 222, trading cycle time for protection? Limit yourself in a few ways like 25, but absolutely murder it on what's left? Or just dump the corner and play hard D like 195 or 1902? And modern frame perimeters would change the game greatly, not just from the shrunken size but also from teams creating octagonal or home-plate frames to escape defense more easily.

Oh, and that's not even talking autonomous. I maintain that 2006 was the most exciting autonomous period yet, because even a BLT could contribute to the chess match by knocking a shooter askew or getting in the way (sorry, 1676...). With modern targeting, I think you create robots that can pick off a lot more quick shots before defenders can ruffle their feathers. If there was a professional league to be built around one FIRST game, I think it would be Aim High.

But that said, I would absolutely love another crack at FIRST Frenzy redemption.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

I would love to see FIRST Frenzy: Raising the Bar from 2004 retooled for modern play (though I'm not sure how they'd fit six robots on the field when it was tight for four). Ii would love to see the autonomous tweaked (releasing the balls early is not a reason to bother with autonomous) and climbing points should be minimized a bit but it was a really cool game (the robots never looked more athletic playing this game).

Originally Posted by Ian Curtis

When is FIRST Frenzy (2004) going to get its long overdue repeat?! It's time we raise the bar.

I agree.

Smaller robots, more power, better controls, more challenging auton, and bumpers -- these could raise FIRST Frenzy to a new level.

[Roboshant]

Originally Posted by kaliken

Cameras were allowed in 2010... we had one and it was mounted down to see balls that were blocked by the ramps/bumps. It was vital to finding balls that needed to be cleared out in stopping the dreaded loop..


if I was to replay one I would say 2005. The auto period nobody could do a cap of the green tetra. Nowadays we would see 2x caps.

Yeah, maybe higher quality cameras which would be able to better see 469's flipper.

[jtrv]

I'm unsure about 2016, but the transport configuration & size limits (or lack thereof) rules for 2015 would be pretty hilarious for the 2013-14 games

[Mitchell1714]

I think Ultimate Ascent would easily be the most broken game. 2013 was a much more technically challenging game than most others. The big challenges of 2013 were figuring how to pick up the disks, building a shooter for a game element we had never seen before and climbing. All three of those tasks could be easily figured out with the resources available today. If Ultimate Ascent were played today, there would be hundreds of Cheesy Poofs PTO climbers and King Rec style full court shooters.

The scoring would be immense.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I-IrVbsl_K8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPvZPnkMWC4

[efoote868]

My team in 2007 could have benefited from more processing power. These days using a control loop on the robot is pretty trivial (even if the students have vague ideas of what things are doing).

Add in some vision feedback for the driver and the game would have played differently, IMHO.

[AllenGregoryIV]

I think it's 2008 for sure. Having unlimited 775pros and MiniCIMs in a game that required driving very fast and launching a very heavy object would be a game changer.

In 2008 you basically only had 2 Fisherprice motors, 2 RS-550 Motors, & 4 CIM motors.

The motor rules alone would make this game so much more fun to watch.

[asid61]

Originally Posted by AllenGregoryIV

I think it's 2008 for sure. Having unlimited 775pros and MiniCIMs in a game that required driving very fast and launching a very heavy object would be a game changer.

In 2008 you basically only had 2 Fisherprice motors, 2 RS-550 Motors, & 4 CIM motors.

The motor rules alone would make this game so much more fun to watch.

I feel like the brownout limitations would make that difficult. More of the battle would be fought in using many motors to get them all in their max efficiency range rather than in the total available power IMO.

[Koko Ed]

I would love to see FIRST Frenzy: Raising the Bar from 2004 retooled for modern play (though I'm not sure how they'd fit six robots on the field when it was tight for four). Ii would love to see the autonomous tweaked (releasing the balls early is not a reason to bother with autonomous) and climbing points should be minimized a bit but it was a really cool game (the robots never looked more athletic playing this game).