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[FRC Blog] 2017 FIRST Championships Allocations for Districts
Posted on the FRC Blog, 8/31/16: http://www.firstinspires.org/robotic...-for-districts
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Re: [FRC Blog] 2017 FIRST Championships Allocations for Districts
So, who wants to do the math to figure out how many estimated waitlist spots each champs gets now?
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That's 201 District spots at HalfchampsN and ~20 Regionals getting 7 each. So that leaves around 59 waitlist spots. HalfchampsS would have 88 District spots and ~29 Regionals? So they'd get 109ish waitlist spots. |
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Re: [FRC Blog] 2017 FIRST Championships Allocations for Districts
Ok I like this a lot gets rid of my concern about our waitlist tokens becoming useless. Thanks frank!
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Re: [FRC Blog] 2017 FIRST Championships Allocations for Districts
This was a predictable change, but I'm still disappointed.
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Under the old system the North Championship would have ~265 teams from district areas but under this system they'll only have 201. Given that district teams are much more competitive than waitlist teams, this will seriously decrease the quality of championship play. I had assumed that the purpose of waitlist spots was to fill the gaps when regionals didn't send enough teams to fill out the championship, but FIRST doesn't seem to share that view. What is the point of waitlist teams? Why do the extra 64 waitlist teams deserve to go to the North Championship more than the district points teams do? Shouldn't we reward success on and off the field more than a lottery? Last edited by AGPapa : 31-08-2016 at 17:34. |
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It may be a good thing text doesn't convey tone. |
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We have been a team since 2009 and have never even come close to qualifying for Champs. Many members despite my best efforts still don't realize how big first really is. The experience of Champs would certainly seriously help our team. The reason half Champs became a thing was to give more teams the Champs experience. Before this change district teams did have an easier time qualifying despite the wildcard change. Now it's pretty balanced. Don't forget waitlist tokens can go to regional and district teams. Now I still support 1 Champs but, if we are going to have 2 let's have other teams like mine and maybe ones even farther away from breaking through get a taste of what's out there. |
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That's the problem with millennials these days!!! They think they deserve everything and that the world should be handed to them on a silver platter. Everyone wants a participation trophy because all that matters is that they "tried" and there's no such thing as "winners". Back in my day you didn't have a right to go to a championship, you had to earn your way there. When I coached my son's little league we never made it to the state championships because we weren't good enough. After four years of not qualifying do you think I complained that my team was missing out from the "championship experience" because they weren't playing well enough? Of course not! We didn't need a championship to recognize the kids on our team and we sure didn't need one to inspire them. If you want to go to the championships then work harder, don't try and lessen the value of the championships by letting everyone in.
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FIRST is not preventing 2869 from attending the event, but they are going to make the chance of the 27th best team in Chesapeake more difficult than the 41st team in the PNW, even though CHS is 85% the roster count as PNW. I've accepted that someone has poured water all over my cereal, but they didn't have to pee in it too. |
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Re: [FRC Blog] 2017 FIRST Championships Allocations for Districts
The decision to calculate the percentage based on teams only in the geographic region of your Champ definitely helps MI logistics-wise.
Without the change, MI would send about 411/3130*804 = 105 teams to NorthCMP, or more teams than at MSC the last couple years. With that change and the 10% one, it's only 79 teams qualifying, so MSC is not irrelevant in qualifying to NorthCMP. |
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Anyway, if you think the CMP has the same purpose as a little league championship, you may want to read up a bit on what FIRST's goals are. However much you might want it to be about earning your way, FIRST doesn't want that. |
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If FIRST "doesn't want [it to be about earning your way], how come over 75% of teams will earn there way to a CMP in 2017? FIRST said somewhere that they want every FRC team to have the opportunity to attend CMP once every four years. What does that matter if CMP is too expensive for lower resource teams to attend? Will FIRST reduce the registration cost ever? What are the reasons for FRC wait list spots, but no other FIRST or VEX program to my knowledge intentionally preserves this percentage of wait list spots for their culminating events? Things to think about. I think there are plenty of ways to skin a cat, with or without tons of wait list spots at CMP. -Mike |
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I've heard rumors that FTC will be expanding slots (since now there's 2 half-champs) but rather than increase the number of teams qualifying into/out of the super-regionals, they will do a waitlist. Just a rumor though...
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