custom button panel

[ttnn58]

Originally Posted by RyanN

I've been working on a project for this. Team Fusion has been using this for several years and I made a new revision that fixed a few issues for Garnet Squadron.

immpressive!
ye olde kaboom XD
but i am not looking for something so complicated, i just want to simpify the controls for the operator, because the joystick is sometimes making a lot of headache.
i will porbably use an arduino with unojoy, and if it won't work i will use the msp430.
i want to use the arduino IDE because i am not a programmer myself (and i do not wish to be XP) and this is the easiest way i can make this work.
can i contact you if i will have difficulties with wiring/programing?
thanks!

[RyanN]

Originally Posted by ttnn58

immpressive!
ye olde kaboom XD
but i am not looking for something so complicated, i just want to simpify the controls for the operator, because the joystick is sometimes making a lot of headache.
i will porbably use an arduino with unojoy, and if it won't work i will use the msp430.
i want to use the arduino IDE because i am not a programmer myself (and i do not wish to be XP) and this is the easiest way i can make this work.
can i contact you if i will have difficulties with wiring/programing?
thanks!

You absolutely can. You could probably reuse most of my Arduino code as well. The computer software isn't completed yet, but you're more than welcome to try it. It's fully functional and can be used right now, but it lacks configuration for the robot address or test functionality to drive outputs without the robot.

[MrBasse]

We use a keyboard emulator called PoKeys. https://www.poscope.com/products/pokeys-devices/

It's been really easy to work with as you assign values to keyboard keys you wouldn't normally use. Also, if the control panel happens to fail, the operator can make use of the keyboard in an emergency.

[MrBasse]

Originally Posted by MrBasse

We use a keyboard emulator called PoKeys. https://www.poscope.com/products/pokeys-devices/

It's been really easy to work with as you assign values to keyboard keys you wouldn't normally use. Also, if the control panel happens to fail, the operator can make use of the keyboard in an emergency.

Here are some pictures of our panel:

[bobbysq]

It seems like a good time to post our minimalist custom control solution.

https://github.com/frc4646/lightswitch

[Bkeeneykid]

Originally Posted by Foster

I've used this Adafruit Bluefruit EZ-Key - 12 Input Bluetooth HID Keyboard Controller at about $20.

You wire up switches to the board. It connects to the laptop via Bluetooth. You can program the board to be a sudo keyboard with any key chord combination you want. (ie a,A, ctl-A, Alt-A, ctl-shift-alt-A, etc. )

You can use any kind of switch. There are places you can get joysticks with switches on the axis.

Not sure what the FRC rules are around bluetooth keyboards.

I've used these to make a wall button setup that talks to a home control computer, fun box for the grandmuchin, and working on a Kerbal Space Command console.

Bluetooth is illegal within the arena. See this rule:

Originally Posted by R95

Other than the system provided by the ARENA, no other form of wireless communications shall be used to communicate to, from, or within the OPERATOR CONSOLE.

Examples of prohibited wireless systems include, but are not limited to, active wireless network cards and Bluetooth devices. For the case of FIRST Robotics Competition, a motion sensing input device (e.g. Microsoft Kinect) is not considered wireless communication and is allowed.

[Foster]

Originally Posted by Bkeeneykid

Bluetooth is illegal within the arena. See this rule:

Thanks! So many rules, it's hard to remember what's in and whats out, thanks for taking the time to do the research and posting the rule.

[adciv]

Originally Posted by Bkeeneykid

Interesting product, from a company I've not heard of yet. One concern, there doesn't seem to be many button inputs. If you do a autonomous switcher, that can be 5 inputs all by itself. Is there any way of increasing this? Also, do you have any way of doing the outputs in WPIlib like the MSP430 can?

Option A: Use an encoder to convert a given value to binary and read the buttons as a binary input.

Option B: Use analog input on "joystick" and just break it up into ranges.

Option C: Put the control in software on the Driver Station Dashboard and the robot doesn't start auto until it receives its directions.

We typically use Option C, particularly as we had at least three different settings to configure each match (goal, position, defense).

[RyanN]

Originally Posted by adciv

Option A: Use an encoder to convert a given value to binary and read the buttons as a binary input.

Option B: Use analog input on "joystick" and just break it up into ranges.

Option C: Put the control in software on the Driver Station Dashboard and the robot doesn't start auto until it receives its directions.

We typically use Option C, particularly as we had at least three different settings to configure each match (goal, position, defense).

Option B works really well. Wire GND to the left most position and 5V to the right most position. Put resistors in series between each post of the other positions. It'll make it like a potentiometer, but with low resolution.

Say you have a 6 position switch, you would wire it like:

GND-> Position 0 - 2kOhm - Position 1 - 2kOhm - Position 3 - 2kOhm - Position 4 - 2kOhm - Position 5 <- +5V

Then connect it to the joystick input. I guess it goes from -1 to 1, like shown below:
Pos 0 -> ~-1
Pos 1 -> ~-0.6
Pos 2 -> ~-0.2
Pos 3 -> ~0.2
Pos 4 -> ~0.6
Pos 5 -> ~1

You'll want to factor in some tolerance. It won't be exactly -1, -0.6, etc. In this case, you have 0.4 units between each measurement. You can test between the cases.

if ana < -0.8
pos = 0;
else if ana >= -0.8 and ana < -0.4
pos = 1;
else ifana >= -0.4 and ana < 0
pos = 2;
else ifana >= 0 and ana < 0.4
pos = 3;
else if ana >= 0.4 and ana < 0.8
pos = 4;
else // in this case, this has to be true: ana >= 0.8
pos = 5;

[adciv]

You can also calibrate the software to the actual values measured. Since this isn't going in the bag this shouldn't be an issue.

[ttnn58]

Originally Posted by eStop Robotics

You may find the Custom Control Interface (CCI) from eStop Robotics LLC to be a good simple solution to your "custom button panel" project.

The CCI requires no additional software and integrates easily with the FRC supported programming environments.

You can find more information on the following page at eStop Robotics:
https://www.estoprobotics.com/estore...d&productId=33

thanks for the recommendation!
but i think that if we will buy a new controller it will be an arudino or an msp430 because they are cheaper (the msp430 is in first choice for 20 credits, arduino is about 25$) and they have more I/O us to use.


anyone here is familiar with this kind of project and i can contact to him if i need any further help?

thank you very much guys!

[frcguy]

Originally Posted by Bkeeneykid

Interesting product, from a company I've not heard of yet. One concern, there doesn't seem to be many button inputs. If you do a autonomous switcher, that can be 5 inputs all by itself. Is there any way of increasing this? Also, do you have any way of doing the outputs in WPIlib like the MSP430 can?

Can't speak to this product, but eStop makes some pretty neat stuff. We used one of their battery hold-downs this season and loved it.