Go to Post Our role models are practical visionaries. That's the glue. - JaneYoung [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 20:46
cadandcookies's Avatar
cadandcookies cadandcookies is offline
Director of Programs, GOFIRST
AKA: Nick Aarestad
FTC #9205 (The Iron Maidens)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Minnesnowta
Posts: 1,563
cadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cothron Theiss View Post
As gorgeous as that robot looks plastered all across my computer screen, this might help.
Beat you to it. Sometimes I forget to preview my posts...
__________________

Never assume the motives of others are, to them, less noble than yours are to you. - John Perry Barlow
tumblr | twitter
'Snow Problem CAD Files: 2015 2016
MN FTC Field Manager, FTA, CSA, Emcee
FLL Maybe NXT Year (09-10) -> FRC 2220 (11-14) -> FTC 9205(14-?)/FRC 2667 (15-16)
VEXU UMN (2015-??)
Volunteer since 2011
2013 RCA Winner (North Star Regional) (2220)
2016 Connect Award Winner (North Super Regional and World Championship) (9205)
Reply With Quote
  #17   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 20:48
cd_ssb's Avatar
cd_ssb cd_ssb is offline
Registered User
FRC #0135
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Indiana
Posts: 7
cd_ssb is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by cd_ssb View Post
Awesome reveal video! Definetly my favorite from the 2017 season! I wish you guys would've shown your robot shooting a bunch of balls all at oncr, instead of just one or two at a time. Im curious to see how accurate your shooter really is. What percent of balls do you guys when you storage is "full"?
Pardon the spelling errors, im on mobile. That last sentance is supposed to say what percent of balls do you SCORE when your sotrage is "full"?
Reply With Quote
  #18   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 20:50
cadandcookies's Avatar
cadandcookies cadandcookies is offline
Director of Programs, GOFIRST
AKA: Nick Aarestad
FTC #9205 (The Iron Maidens)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Minnesnowta
Posts: 1,563
cadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by cd_ssb View Post
Awesome reveal video! Definetly my favorite from the 2017 season! I wish you guys would've shown your robot shooting a bunch of balls all at oncr, instead of just one or two at a time. Im curious to see how accurate your shooter really is. What percent of balls do you guys when you storage is "full"?
Our hopper to shooter transition is very inconsistent. I would say that our shooter, by itself, is quite accurate (when testing hand fed, we had an extremely consistent shot), but unfortunately the shooter is only half of the battle. Loading is paramount, and we unfortunately neglected the design of our loading mechanism, having only three days.

I would say that we were probably 60% accurate, maybe more, when we were able to shoot. Unfortunately jams or mispositioned balls made that rarer than any of us would have liked. This also made it somewhat difficult to actually gauge how accurate our shot was.
__________________

Never assume the motives of others are, to them, less noble than yours are to you. - John Perry Barlow
tumblr | twitter
'Snow Problem CAD Files: 2015 2016
MN FTC Field Manager, FTA, CSA, Emcee
FLL Maybe NXT Year (09-10) -> FRC 2220 (11-14) -> FTC 9205(14-?)/FRC 2667 (15-16)
VEXU UMN (2015-??)
Volunteer since 2011
2013 RCA Winner (North Star Regional) (2220)
2016 Connect Award Winner (North Super Regional and World Championship) (9205)
Reply With Quote
  #19   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 20:51
cd_ssb's Avatar
cd_ssb cd_ssb is offline
Registered User
FRC #0135
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Indiana
Posts: 7
cd_ssb is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by cadandcookies View Post
Our hopper to shooter transition is very inconsistent. I would say that our shooter, by itself, is quite accurate (when testing hand fed, we had an extremely consistent shot), but unfortunately the shooter is only half of the battle. Loading is paramount, and we unfortunately neglected the design of our loading mechanism, having only three days.

I would say that we were probably 60% accurate, maybe more, when we were able to shoot. Unfortunately jams or mispositioned balls made that rarer than any of us would have liked. This also made it somewhat difficult to actually gauge how accurate our shot was.
Totally understandable, thanks for answering! Awesome robot!
Reply With Quote
  #20   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 21:01
Torvando's Avatar
Torvando Torvando is offline
Build Team Captain
AKA: Taylor Noble
FRC #2823 (The Automatons)
Team Role: Mechanical
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Rookie Year: 2012
Location: St. Paul
Posts: 18
Torvando is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Great video and a great robot. I was wonder what gearbox, ratio and motor you were using on the intake/climber. The intake seemed fast for how much weight you had to pull up.

Thanks in advance.
__________________

FRC 2823 2014-present
Reply With Quote
  #21   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 21:06
gorrilla's Avatar
gorrilla gorrilla is offline
1557 alumni, 4639 mentor
AKA: adam spears
FRC #4639 (RoboSpartans)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Houston
Posts: 958
gorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant futuregorrilla has a brilliant future
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by cadandcookies View Post

I would say that we were probably 60% accurate, maybe more, when we were able to shoot. Unfortunately jams or mispositioned balls made that rarer than any of us would have liked. This also made it somewhat difficult to actually gauge how accurate our shot was.
How many fuel balls can it hold at once?
__________________
Adam Spears



Team 1557 2007-2011 student-Lake County FL

Current Team 4639 mentor- Houston TX
Reply With Quote
  #22   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 21:13
cadandcookies's Avatar
cadandcookies cadandcookies is offline
Director of Programs, GOFIRST
AKA: Nick Aarestad
FTC #9205 (The Iron Maidens)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Minnesnowta
Posts: 1,563
cadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by Torvando View Post
Great video and a great robot. I was wonder what gearbox, ratio and motor you were using on the intake/climber. The intake seemed fast for how much weight you had to pull up.

Thanks in advance.
The gearbox powering our intake/climber is an AM Sonic Shifter with a 14.8:1 low gear and a 3.7:1 high gear. There are two CIM motors powering it. It's a little bit slow as an intake on high gear, but is quite sufficient in low gear for our climb.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gorrilla View Post
How many fuel balls can it hold at once?
Not nearly enough. We are planning to add some more polycarbonate to make it better at keeping balls inside and increasing capacity for future demonstration events. Right now I would estimate we're around 10-15 balls maximum "stay in the robot" amount.
__________________

Never assume the motives of others are, to them, less noble than yours are to you. - John Perry Barlow
tumblr | twitter
'Snow Problem CAD Files: 2015 2016
MN FTC Field Manager, FTA, CSA, Emcee
FLL Maybe NXT Year (09-10) -> FRC 2220 (11-14) -> FTC 9205(14-?)/FRC 2667 (15-16)
VEXU UMN (2015-??)
Volunteer since 2011
2013 RCA Winner (North Star Regional) (2220)
2016 Connect Award Winner (North Super Regional and World Championship) (9205)
Reply With Quote
  #23   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 22:03
EricLeifermann's Avatar
EricLeifermann EricLeifermann is offline
That was a short break
FRC #2826 (Wave Robotics)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,068
EricLeifermann has a reputation beyond reputeEricLeifermann has a reputation beyond reputeEricLeifermann has a reputation beyond reputeEricLeifermann has a reputation beyond reputeEricLeifermann has a reputation beyond reputeEricLeifermann has a reputation beyond reputeEricLeifermann has a reputation beyond reputeEricLeifermann has a reputation beyond reputeEricLeifermann has a reputation beyond reputeEricLeifermann has a reputation beyond reputeEricLeifermann has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

What are you using for your shooter wheel?
__________________
2002-2005 Appleton East High School: Team 93
2005-2011 Michigan Technological University: Team 857
2012-Present Wave Robotics Team 2826



Reply With Quote
  #24   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 22:05
cadandcookies's Avatar
cadandcookies cadandcookies is offline
Director of Programs, GOFIRST
AKA: Nick Aarestad
FTC #9205 (The Iron Maidens)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Minnesnowta
Posts: 1,563
cadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by EricLeifermann View Post
What are you using for your shooter wheel?
We are using 4 of the 4" Andymark compliant wheels. They are powered by 2 775pro motors on a 3:1 VersaPlanetary.
__________________

Never assume the motives of others are, to them, less noble than yours are to you. - John Perry Barlow
tumblr | twitter
'Snow Problem CAD Files: 2015 2016
MN FTC Field Manager, FTA, CSA, Emcee
FLL Maybe NXT Year (09-10) -> FRC 2220 (11-14) -> FTC 9205(14-?)/FRC 2667 (15-16)
VEXU UMN (2015-??)
Volunteer since 2011
2013 RCA Winner (North Star Regional) (2220)
2016 Connect Award Winner (North Super Regional and World Championship) (9205)
Reply With Quote
  #25   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 22:06
Sperkowsky's Avatar
Sperkowsky Sperkowsky is offline
Professional Multitasker
AKA: Samuel Perkowsky
FRC #2869 (Regal Eagles)
Team Role: Leadership
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Rookie Year: 2014
Location: Bethpage, NY
Posts: 1,926
Sperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond reputeSperkowsky has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

How much did your powder coating setup cost as well as material costs? Do you have a link to what you used?
Reply With Quote
  #26   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 22:09
cadandcookies's Avatar
cadandcookies cadandcookies is offline
Director of Programs, GOFIRST
AKA: Nick Aarestad
FTC #9205 (The Iron Maidens)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Minnesnowta
Posts: 1,563
cadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sperkowsky View Post
How much did your powder coating setup cost as well as material costs? Do you have a link to what you used?
I would direct you to our powder coating white paper. Alex did a pretty good job explaining our setup. To completely replicate our setup, you are looking at between $200 and $600, depending on what you have on hand.
__________________

Never assume the motives of others are, to them, less noble than yours are to you. - John Perry Barlow
tumblr | twitter
'Snow Problem CAD Files: 2015 2016
MN FTC Field Manager, FTA, CSA, Emcee
FLL Maybe NXT Year (09-10) -> FRC 2220 (11-14) -> FTC 9205(14-?)/FRC 2667 (15-16)
VEXU UMN (2015-??)
Volunteer since 2011
2013 RCA Winner (North Star Regional) (2220)
2016 Connect Award Winner (North Super Regional and World Championship) (9205)
Reply With Quote
  #27   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 22:27
fr05ty27355's Avatar
fr05ty27355 fr05ty27355 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Paul
FRC #2169 (KING TeC)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 33
fr05ty27355 is on a distinguished road
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by cd_ssb View Post
Pardon the spelling errors, im on mobile. That last sentance is supposed to say what percent of balls do you SCORE when your sotrage is "full"?
Quote:
Originally Posted by cadandcookies View Post
Our hopper to shooter transition is very inconsistent. I would say that our shooter, by itself, is quite accurate (when testing hand fed, we had an extremely consistent shot), but unfortunately the shooter is only half of the battle. Loading is paramount, and we unfortunately neglected the design of our loading mechanism, having only three days.

I would say that we were probably 60% accurate, maybe more, when we were able to shoot. Unfortunately jams or mispositioned balls made that rarer than any of us would have liked. This also made it somewhat difficult to actually gauge how accurate our shot was.
To expand on what Nick stated, we currently don't have any feedback on the shooter. Adding a feedback mechanism (such as an optical encoder), and implementing a basic closed-loop control (PID loop anyone?) could vastly improve the accuracy. Given only 3 days and a limited budget, we typically don't worry about these nitty-gritty details.

The hopper could additionally use a "blending" mechanism to shuffle balls so that they find their way into the shooter (many of the other Ri3D teams implemented such mechanisms). Our hopper was finalized on the last day, and we did not have ample time to construct/install such a mechanism.
__________________
Innovation: The best way to predict the future is to create it - Peter Drucker

FTC: 3855 Tempered Steel
2010 - Minnesota Snow Drift - FTC Winning Alliance
2010 - World Championship - FTC Finalist Alliance

FRC: 2169 KING TeC
2013 - MSHSL State Championship - Finalist Alliance
2013 - Galileo Division - Finalist Alliance
2013 - Colorado - Winning Alliance
2013 - Northern Lights - Winning Alliance
2012 - MSHSL State Championship - Winning Alliance
2012 - Wisconsin - Finalist Alliance
2012 - Lake Superior - Regional Chairman's Award
2012 - Lake Superior - Winning Alliance
2011 - 10,000 Lakes - Finalist Alliance
2011 - Lake Superior - Regional Chairman's Award
2011 - Lake Superior - Finalist Alliance
2010 - 10,000 Lakes - Regional Chairman's Award
Reply With Quote
  #28   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 22:47
D.Allred's Avatar
D.Allred D.Allred is offline
Registered User
FRC #4451 (Rat Rod Robotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Greenville, SC
Posts: 210
D.Allred has a reputation beyond reputeD.Allred has a reputation beyond reputeD.Allred has a reputation beyond reputeD.Allred has a reputation beyond reputeD.Allred has a reputation beyond reputeD.Allred has a reputation beyond reputeD.Allred has a reputation beyond reputeD.Allred has a reputation beyond reputeD.Allred has a reputation beyond reputeD.Allred has a reputation beyond reputeD.Allred has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Interesting design and a great looking robot.

The intake climber is a very interesting idea. Do you believe it would actually work on the real field? You are using a small rope on a small roller. It looks like you would jam the roller against the davit channel before you could consistently move the pressure plate. I've noticed a lot of these Ri3D designs don't seem to consider the channel.

David
Reply With Quote
  #29   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 17-01-2017, 22:51
cadandcookies's Avatar
cadandcookies cadandcookies is offline
Director of Programs, GOFIRST
AKA: Nick Aarestad
FTC #9205 (The Iron Maidens)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Rookie Year: 2009
Location: Minnesnowta
Posts: 1,563
cadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond reputecadandcookies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Quote:
Originally Posted by D.Allred View Post
Interesting design and a great looking robot.

The intake climber is a very interesting idea. Do you believe it would actually work on the real field? You are using a small rope on a small roller. It looks like you would jam the roller against the davit channel before you could consistently move the pressure plate. I've noticed a lot of these Ri3D designs don't seem to consider the channel.

David
Correct, we designed our climber without knowledge of the channel.

I'm pretty confident that an enterprising team could modify the concept to be competition-ready. We did have a small amount of room to work with on the final robot that could feasibly fit the modifications necessary.
__________________

Never assume the motives of others are, to them, less noble than yours are to you. - John Perry Barlow
tumblr | twitter
'Snow Problem CAD Files: 2015 2016
MN FTC Field Manager, FTA, CSA, Emcee
FLL Maybe NXT Year (09-10) -> FRC 2220 (11-14) -> FTC 9205(14-?)/FRC 2667 (15-16)
VEXU UMN (2015-??)
Volunteer since 2011
2013 RCA Winner (North Star Regional) (2220)
2016 Connect Award Winner (North Super Regional and World Championship) (9205)
Reply With Quote
  #30   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 18-01-2017, 00:26
Purpose's Avatar
Purpose Purpose is offline
President
AKA: Victor A
FRC #0834 (Spartechs)
Team Role: Leadership
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Rookie Year: 2015
Location: MAR
Posts: 26
Purpose will become famous soon enough
Re: Ri3D 'Snow Problem 2017

Beautiful bot and extremely impressive all around. Thank you for all your time and dedication!

May I ask what motor and gear reduction you used for your intake/climber? You're using a CIM correct? I was really impressed with how fast the lift pulled your bot.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:00.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi