How to get gears fast

[bdaroz]

Originally Posted by engunneer

If one team is asking the other team on a different alliance to change how they play to make it easier for everyone, that is specifically against C02 and C03. I do expect Q&A to address this.

C02 - Asking other Teams to throw a MATCH – not cool. A Team may not encourage an ALLIANCE, of which it is not a member, to play beneath its ability.

C03 - Letting someone coerce you in to throwing a MATCH – also not cool. A Team, as the result of encouragement by a Team not on their ALLIANCE, may not play beneath its ability.

These are talking about one-sided events - throwing a match. If both alliances agree, it's an equally competitive strategy, not throwing the match.

[engunneer]

Originally Posted by bdaroz

These are talking about one-sided events - throwing a match. If both alliances agree, it's an equally competitive strategy, not throwing the match.

for them to agree, one must start the conversation, which entails one team asking the other if they agree with X. Therefore, one team is asking the other to X, even if they already know about X and agree willingly. The asker is breaking one rule, and the other team is breaking the other.

It's pretty clear that this strategy is against the intent of the rules.

[Doug Frisk]

Pretty sure this strategy would net both alliances a red card under H07.

[engunneer]

Actually, Doug's point about H07 made me re-read H08 which explicitly forbids this strategy. H07 only prevents someone from leaving their zone, but does not prevent the "gear donating" alliance from sliding game pieces to the "gear receiving" alliance over the line.

H08 specifically does prevent this action, so we don't even need Q&A clarification any more. this "strategy" causes the donating alliance to "deliberately cause GAME PIECES to leave" their loading lane via a parth not allowed in the 3 point rule.

A. during TELEOP,
B. by a HUMAN PLAYER or DRIVER, and
C. through a LOADING STATION slot.

[frodobaggins05]

this is NOT going to happen!

[RoboChair]

H08 prohibits the ability to pass the gears into the opposing Alliance Station from your Loading Lane. However it does not prevent you from loading gears into the robots of the Opposing Alliance.

[frodobaggins05]

The first person has no idea what he is talking about. The other team is NOT going to give you their gear!

[Caleb Sykes]

I like how working with the other alliance to earn mutually beneficial ranking points in some years is considered "coopertition" and working with the other alliance to earn mutually beneficial ranking points in other years is considered "collusion."

I think I'll just go on the offensive and tell teams they are not in the spirit of coopertition if they don't want to work with me.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Caleb Sykes

I like how working with the other alliance to earn mutually beneficial ranking points in some years is considered "coopertition" and working with the other alliance to earn mutually beneficial ranking points in other years is considered "collusion."

I think I'll just go on the offensive and tell teams they are not in the spirit of coopertition if they don't want to work with me.

It depends on the game, the scenario, and if it's designed in. 2015 is a prime example. The Coopertition totes were the "allowed and approved" method. The noodles were something the teams came up with, and the GDC nerfed it. In 2016 there really wasn't anything. 2012 had the coop bridge, which had its own collusions...

Basically, if it's part of the game challenge and designed in as such, it's coopertition. If it's not part of the original game challenge, it's collusion. (Not official definitions, just what I've observed the reactions being.)

[BeardyMentor]

2015 was a weird animal because of how ranking worked. I would not expect to see anything like the noodle agreement this year. One team getting the gear ranking point does not benefit the other team at all. Additionally, a team getting all four rotors running is going to result in a lot of points potentially winning the match and depriving their opponents of 2 ranking points. Unlike in 2015 where ranking was entirely based off of average match score. Your ranking was almost independent of your opponents score. This is not true this year where the largest component(50%) of your ranking is the relative score. Helping your opponents during a match to score points is not going to be beneficial to you this year.