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Re: Realistic high goal scoring rate

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I am in complete agreement with this, actually. The important shooter metric is balls scored per second, not accuracy or balls fired per second. Erring on the side of volume is almost certainly preferred because it's probably easier to increase accuracy for a high volume system than to increase volume for a high accuracy system. I think it IS interesting that if you're pursuing a single stream shooter*, at some point you have to start backing away from the goal to increase your rate of fire without running balls into each other.

*How long do you think until the first joke about crossing the streams?
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*How long do you think until the first joke about crossing the streams?
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14:06-14:13, so ~7 minutes

Longer than I expected actually.
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Re: Realistic high goal scoring rate

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14:06-14:13, so ~7 minutes

Longer than I expected actually.
He has to have some kind of intelligent filter that notifies him of joke opportunities, I swear.
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He has to have some kind of intelligent filter that notifies him of joke opportunities, I swear.
That's the first time I've ever heard him referred to as "intelligent"
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Re: Realistic high goal scoring rate

97.1 balls per second.
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97.1 balls per second.
next thing you know 254 does better than that
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Re: Realistic high goal scoring rate

So, check my math, but assuming a single Fuel leaving the shooter wheel which is located at the top of a tall robot parked in the key against the boiler wall. My trajectory model calculates about 86 degree launch angle at about 5.7 m/s muzzle velocity. At a 5" pitch, that is 40 to 45 Fuels per second.

So that would be the max; of course, there would be a gap as you wouldn't be feeding the shooter as fast, so something less than that.

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97.1 balls per second.
At 25 ft/s, that's about 12 lbs of thrust. I don't think you'll be going to space today with that engine.
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At 25 ft/s, that's about 12 lbs of thrust. I don't think you'll be going to space today with that engine.
Nah. We'll just fix it in code
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Very cool! How to you plan on implementing that hopper in a 36" (or 24") tall robot
it seems possible for now to stay under 24", that would allow for a larger drive base, and a larger intake
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Re: Realistic high goal scoring rate

We are looking at about 12 balls per second at the moment with our protoype with consistency.
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Re: Realistic high goal scoring rate

Peak rate or sustained rate? I could see some team with peak rates well above 30 balls/second.
Flywheel shooters are the only way to launch a ball
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Re: Realistic high goal scoring rate

I would take a bet and say 3 balls a second will be the average scoring rate. Just a thought though.
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