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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

I'd encourage look at both styles - feeder & ground. In doing so, see which player station the team is in. There are inherent advantages & disadvantages for each style at each station.

For passive feed + active place, check out 384. They are crazy fast, and have a couple of ways to get even faster. Some of their moves on the field look choreographed & rehearsed. They hit 6 full-field cycles in many matches, though due to some early matches their average was about the same as ours.

For passive feed + passive place, check out 6334. They typically do the same basic lines, and are extremely good at it. Their average was identical to ours.

We (1885) have active ground feed and active place. We hit 6 full-field (+ auton) gears in 3 separate matches, and a usual 4-5 full-field gears under varying levels defense. We had a couple of low matches due to figuring out nuances of an upgraded intake. We only ground intake, but we also are willing to go around any airship at any time to get around defense.

Ground vs Feed - I don't think that debate is settled. A feeder can get in and out faster than a ground intake simply because the drivers can see every reference point on a more consistent basis. Yet feeders also have to deal with fuel, whereas most good ground intakes inherently deal with it by design. Feeders also have to figure out how to get to the same place every time, whereas there is a bit to be learned about match flow by how ground intake bots figure out where to go dynamically.
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

I'd argue 604. They are remarkably fast for an HP gear bot. Looking forward to having the chance to play with them next week on Hopper!
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

From the NE perspective there are a few teams to add (in numerical order):

78 - Seeded second at NEDCMP with only gears, highest ranked team with no fuel capabilities. Ground-load only, comfortably 6-7/match with defense.
131 - Demonstrated the capacity for 7-8 gears/match with only HP loading
558 - 6-8+ gears/match and insanely fast ground-only pickup
5687 - Yet another team that can deliver 6-8 (maybe more?) gears with HP and ground capabilities. When we played with them at NEDCMP we got the mythical 5th rotor turning!

Edit: Whoops, didn't realize this was supposed to be HP ONLY robots. Still, only utilizing the HP+starting gear there are teams that can hit 8 gears total/match.
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

Indiana had some really good HP cyclers that all looked to consistently score around 5 gears per match, such as 71, 234, 1018, 1741, 4272, and 6721
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

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Top 25 teams by scored gear contribution:

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team	Scored Gears Contribution
3238	6.52
3974	6.07
2590	5.41
6329	5.36
1937	5.35
78	5.34
5687	5.30
2168	5.20
203	5.17
230	5.16
340	5.07
1778	5.03
74	5.00
604	4.99
649	4.98
1684	4.91
3255	4.90
148	4.90
1676	4.85
2607	4.79
1720	4.78
836	4.73
384	4.67
751	4.67
68	4.64
This only looks at quals at each team's most recent event. It probably undervalues teams that had to consistently play through defense. Also, many of these teams have ground intakes.
2168 is ground intake only.
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

Another vote for 610. Their cycling ability is mesmerizing. 10-12 second cycles are a semi-regular occurrence for them.
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

604 and 8 are tops in CA. Probably top 8 in the world at worst.
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

The challenge for scout teams will be identifying great gear bots who happen to spend much of their time in quals shooting for the extra rp point...numbers don't always tell the whole story
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

In MN, a big standout is 4536, the Minutebots. Their whole robot is gears and climbing and for a mecanum (vectored intake wheel) bot, they can run a solid 5-6 every match, climbing every time, even under defense.
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

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The challenge for scout teams will be identifying great gear bots who happen to spend much of their time in quals shooting for the extra rp point...numbers don't always tell the whole story
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The challenge for scout teams will be identifying great gear bots who happen to spend much of their time in quals shooting for the extra rp point...numbers don't always tell the whole story
Also you need to take into account that some teams will stop scoring gears early cause they've reached 4 rotors or they know they are pretty much alone in gear scoring and stop after the 3rd rotor. Scouting this won't be easy at champs, and I think qualitative information will be very important.
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

I am a little biased but I feel that 2930 might be a team to look for. We had a lot of radio issues at DCMP but we had a couple really good rounds, including the match I haVE LISTED BELOW
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

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A feeder can get in and out faster than a ground intake simply because the drivers can see every reference point on a more consistent basis.
I will totally disagree with this statement. A good ground pickup doesn't have to wait for the gear to load, the gear should be on the floor waiting for them.
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Re: Best HP Gear Cyclers in the World?

5687. 6-7 gears a match under no defense during week 1 at GSD, and only been improving since then.
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330 ran a 7-8 gears here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmLteIbC9n8 but they also used their gear pickup so....
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