tipped bins

[cbudrecki]

If you have a stack of five bins, stacked neatly, and a sttack of four bins, with the top one cocked, they are both worth a 5x multiplyer, but which would be counted as the multiplyer, which as the base?

[Jeremy Roberts]

Yeah a guy on my team though of the same thing. I posted the question to the FIRST forum, but up until now it has not shown up. I hope they answer that soon. We would hope that the stack with the least number of containers would be counted as the multiplier.

[Lauren Hafford]

I bet that because it's FIRST they would count the four w/ tipped as the multiplier and the five bins as scattered becuase they don't seem to want to intentionally be mean about any of it...i bet they would want to help us out as much as they could. But if it were possible you should knock over the five as to not create controversy.

lauren

[cbudrecki]

my thought is that the stack of five would be counted because it is taller in height, but does anyone really know???

[Paul Marshall]

by reading and interpreting this rule:

"7.6 Scoring
All containers within the alliance’s scoring zone will be worth one point each EXCEPT the
containers in the tallest stack. The total number of one-point containers will determine the base score
for the alliance. The tallest stack of containers within the scoring zone is the “multiplier stack.”
Containers in the multiplier stack are worth zero points each (note that containers in other stacks of
the same height are worth one point each). The total base score is then multiplied by the height in
whole Stack Height Units (SHU) of the multiplier stack."

i take this to mean that the tallest stack, in this case the one with five containers, would be considered the multiplier stack.

[Mullen]

ai believe in that case, i the 4 high was taller than the 5 high, the multiplier is 4..but if both have 5 bins the multiplier is 5, it wouldnt really matterif both had 5 cuz youd 5 anyways..thew other is just part of ur base score

[Brett W]

5 bins stacked neatly is 6" taller than 4 with one tiped on its end. If this helps at all

[Joel J]

Originally posted by Brett W
5 bins stacked neatly is 6" taller than 4 with one tiped on its end. If this helps at all

If this is the case, then the stack with 5 bins is considered to be the multiplier stack.. But of course, I wouldn't mind if the opposite is true.

[MikeWherley]

Actually, it doesn't really matter which one is counted since your final score would be the same:

Total # of Bins = 9 (one 5-stack and one-4stack)
Stack Height Units (SHU) = 5
Base Score = Total # Bins - SHU = 9-5 = 4
Total Score = Base Score * SHU = 5*4 = 20

Hope this helps!

[rbayer]

I believe your base score is based on the number of bins in your zone that are not part of the highest stack and are not dependant on SHUs. The rules state that all bins are worth 1 point, except those in the highest stack. It says nothing about SHUs or anything similar.

[MikeWherley]

I agree that the rules are a little vague, but according to Dave Lavery, that is how the score is determined. We should see an official ruling from FIRST in the next update.

[cbudrecki]

Originally posted by MikeWherley.

Actually, it doesn't really matter which one is counted since your final score would be the same:

Total # of Bins = 9 (one 5-stack and one-4stack)
Stack Height Units (SHU) = 5
Base Score = Total # Bins - SHU = 9-5 = 4
Total Score = Base Score * SHU = 5*4 = 20

Hope this helps!

This would be wrong. the score would differ 5 points. One stack is five bins the other is four bins. Either way, your multiplyer is 5. 5x5=25, 5x4=20.

[jrgrim12]

As stated here


The tallest stack in the alliance scoring zone will be determined to be the multiplier stack. Its height is measured in whole Stack Height Units (SHU) as described previously in Section 7.6;

The way I read this both the stacks would be consider 5 bins whether the physical deminsions are taller or not. So I think First needs to clear this up.

[seanwitte]

Mike Wherley stated the scoring method as it was described by the game's designer. I think the reason for the change is to address the questions about pyramids and overlapping stacks. The only things used to calculate the score are the total number of scorable bins and the height of the tallest stack.

The highest stack is measured with a FIRST-approved Stack Measuring Device (SMD). That gives you the multiplier in Stack Height Units (SHU). Rather than try to figure out how many bins are actually in the stack, they use the SHU value to scale the base score.

You get 1 point for each bin in the scoring zone. Your multiplier is the SHU measured using the SMD.

Your score is ((# Bins in Zone) - Max SHU) * (Max SHU)

It CAN be negative. Say you score 5 bins and manage to stack 3 of them to equal 6 SHU:

Bins = 5
Max SHU = 6

Score = (5 - 6) * 6 = -6

[MikeWherley]

Thanks Sean ... now we now how to get negative points!