SHU measuring stick

[sanddrag]

Does the stick start (bottom) at 0 SHUs or 1 SHU. If we can confirm which one it is all the controversy will be over.

[seisenberg]

Unless they had a total about-face, it starts at 1.
That way, a normal right side up bin reaches to just below the "2" line, a tipped bin scores 2.2, rounded to 2 as per Team Update #1, and everthing is as Woody said.

Otherwise they're nuts.

[sanddrag]

Originally posted by seisenberg
Unless they had a total about-face, it starts at 1.
That way, a normal right side up bin reaches to just below the "2" line, a tipped bin scores 2.2, rounded to 2 as per Team Update #1, and everthing is as Woody said.

Otherwise they're nuts.

Simply, your wrong. 1 SHU = 14.75" and one bin in standard position = 15.75" height. According to your method, a bin would pass the two SHU mark and be rounded down to two. Check what M. Krass and I have to say here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...276#post115276

[Doug]

I dont really understand the point of starting this new thread just to resurrect this horse and beat it to death again. It seems no one knows the answer to your satisfaction so just chill. Its not exactly earth shattering anyway whether they count for 2 or 1 on their side i mean please if you knock over the bins most land that way anyway. So lets stop insulting people and do something productive like not argueing. I know this wont satisfy you but in team update #1 it says that "the details of this device will be released at a later date" in reference to their measuring stick. And if you think this stack ambiguity that you see is bad you should have been here last year with the tethers you would have had a heart attack. And if by chance you were around last year then you should realize how minor this is in comparison.

[Ben Mitchell]

Umm, no one is arguing Doug...


I think The measurment would start at 0, being ground level - that would make sense, wouldn't it?

Also, if 1 SHU = 14.75, and 1 bin is tipped to anything under 29.5 inches, it is rounded down to one, so you would need a bin, and another on top of it to get two.

I think this is to prevent teams from automatically getting a 2x multiplier for simply tipping a crate.

[dlavery]

Ben gets it.

The bottom end of the "stack stick" (I like that name better) is zero. The first hash mark is at 14.75" One container, lying on the carpet in any orientation, will be taller than the first hash mark. Rounded down, it will always be one SHU. Two containers, stacked in any orientation, will always exceed 29.5" (2 * 14.75"), and will be rounded down to 2 SHU. etc.

Play this out, and you will understand why a SHU is shorter than the height of a container sitting on the floor, but is approximately equal to the incremental vertical distance between the tops of containers that are stacked (nested).

-dave

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Y = AX^2 + B..... ehhh, whatever.

[Mike537Strategy]

Ok, Here's MY SHU bar thingy idea...

| <- 9, top is 10
| <- 8, top is 9
| <- 7, top is 8
| <- 6, top is 7
| <- 5, top is 6
| <- 4, top is 5
| <- 3, top is 4
| <- 2, top is 3
| <- 1, top is 2
| <- 0, top is 1

[Don Knight]

Originally posted by dlavery

The bottom end of the "stack stick" (I like that name better) is zero. The first hash mark is at 14.75" One container, lying on the carpet in any orientation, will be taller than the first hash mark. Rounded down, it will always be one SHU. Two containers, stacked in any orientation, will always exceed 29.5" (2 * 14.75"), and will be rounded down to 2 SHU. etc.

Play this out, and you will understand why a SHU is shorter than the height of a container sitting on the floor, but is approximately equal to the incremental vertical distance between the tops of containers that are stacked (nested).

-dave
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Okay,

So it doesn't matter how many containers are in the stack, the height of the highest container is measured by the SHU Stick and that height gives you the multiplier not the number of totes.

So if the height of the highest container is between these measurements thats what the multiplier will be. ( I know we won't be measuring to the 100th of an inch but roughly, correct?)

0" thru 14.75" high = 1 times
14.76" thru 29.50" high = 2 times
29.51" thru 44.25" high = 3 times
44.26" thru 59.00" high = 4 times
59.01" thru 73.75" high = 5 times
73.76" thru 88.50" high = 6 times
88.51" thru 103.25" high = 7 times
103.26" thru 117.50" high = 8 times

the number of other containers in your scoring area.

SHU times other containers in your scoring area, plus robot points equals = Score

[skittle5]

you all are wrong one SHU equals 15-1/4 inches it says this in the rules i dont know where 14-34" came from

[Madison]

Originally posted by skittle5
you all are wrong one SHU equals 15-1/4 inches it says this in the rules i dont know where 14-34" came from

Page 1 of Team Update 1 amends The Game, Section 7.6. In that amendment, the height of a single SHU was changed to 14.75"

With all due respect, you are wrong.

[Don Knight]

Originally posted by skittle5
you all are wrong one SHU equals 15-1/4 inches it says this in the rules i dont know where 14-34" came from

I got the 14.75" from Dave Lavery he designed the game -
I don't know where the rounding up and down has come from - you are either within the marks on the stick or not, how far shouldn't matter.

[Mike537Strategy]

Originally posted by Don Knight
So if the height of the highest container is between these measurements thats what the multiplier will be. ( I know we won't be measuring to the 100th of an inch but roughly, correct?)

0" thru 14.75" high = 1 times
14.76" thru 29.50" high = 2 times
29.51" thru 44.25" high = 3 times
44.26" thru 59.00" high = 4 times
59.01" thru 73.75" high = 5 times
73.76" thru 88.50" high = 6 times
88.51" thru 103.25" high = 7 times
103.26" thru 117.50" high = 8 times

the number of other containers in your scoring area.

SHU times other containers in your scoring area, plus robot points equals = Score

Nono, here's the correct chart as of the update.

0" - 29.49" = 1
29.50" - 44.24" = 2
44.25" - 58.99" = 3
59.00" - 73.74" = 4

And so on...I think you can understand it from there.

[dlavery]

Originally posted by Don Knight

I got the 14.75" from Dave Lavery he designed the game -
I don't know where the rounding up and down has come from - you are either within the marks on the stick or not, how far shouldn't matter.

No! We all (even me) got the 1 SHU = 14.75" data from Team Update #1. The WRITTEN MATERIALS supplied by FIRST are the ONLY valid source for the rules. The written rules take precedence over all other comments, written or spoken, from anyone else (including Woodie and me).

I can offer some insight into the philosophy behind an element of the game design, and some knowledge of why some things are the way they are. But FIRST specifies the rules, and the interpretations and rulings on the rules. They are your source of information - use them!


-dave

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Y = AX^2 + B.... ehhhh, whatever.

[skittle5]

i had not seen the update when i posted and i know i should have and now i am just as confused as the rest of you