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Unread 13-01-2003, 00:15
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"Best Idea"#2

so check this out:

by the rules you can't push against both ramp walls at the same time with one robot. Nether can you do it with a box on one end because technically you are not violation this rule but thats your intention.

How about for a change you have 2 robots "mesh together" and each one pushes on its own side of the the wall?

I know that you it would not be such a hot idea to make 2 robots that fit each other counting on being in the finals together. But sill you could have a mecanism on your robot that does something like this
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Unread 13-01-2003, 00:23
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i'm sure when they said bin they implied bot too...

or atleast the ref would assume that the rule is to be read as bin/bot/other field object.

just my opinion though...maybe you should ask about it on the first forums.

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Rule GM31:
"It is also unacceptable to grab onto or push hard enough against multiple surfaces simultaneously in order to wedge and make a immovable a robot."

I believe that the wall and the other robot would count as two surfaces, thus making this strategy illegal. Creative thinking, though.
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So does that mean that you have to push or be pushed in a match if you go up against someone?? You can't just be a lump-bot? I know that worked for us alot last year @ NYC.
We would just drop down our two sets of perpendicular drive systems to the same plane and sit there and not many robots would be able to push us.
Does this mean that if we decide to do that again this year we would be DQ'ed for standing our ground and not allowing ourselves to be pushed around???
If that's true, I think at least one robot from EVERY match will be DQ'ed!!!
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No, the ground only counts as one surface. Feel free to lump around. (Unfoirtunatly, you don't just get points for lumping around like you did last year... our team had one match where we didn't move.. and since we started in the robot scoring zone that was some points right there! )
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Strange how people think this is illegal to do... Especially when at kickoff when Woodie or Dave explained about the rule of not allowing robots to grab both surface of the side wall that this is the one thing that is allowed to do, if teams choose to do it.

I remember either Woodie or Dave said that since a robot may touch only one side of the side wall, teams may build two robots that each touch one of the walls, and against each other to block the ramp...

You guys might want to take a look at the kickoff video before you say you know anything for sure...
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You cannot assume that every little quirk at a kickoff is right. Remember that written rules supercede anything spoken. Take the SHU rule for example. At kickoffs, you could turn a box on its side to make one box count for 2. Well, read Update 1 now and you will see that SHU's are rounded down which contradicts what was stated at the kickoff. If you want to try to find some eccentric loophole in every rule, go right ahead, maybe the refs will let it slide by like the tethers last year. However, don't come whine in these forums if a you get DQ for it. That wouldn't be in the spirit of gracious professionalism, would it?
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