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Re: paper: An Analysis of the FIRST Robotics Competition Shouting of "ROBOT!"

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Re: paper: An Analysis of the FIRST Robotics Competition Shouting of "ROBOT!"

This needed to be said.
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Re: paper: An Analysis of the FIRST Robotics Competition Shouting of "ROBOT!"

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Re: paper: An Analysis of the FIRST Robotics Competition Shouting of "ROBOT!"

I intentionally stand in the way of people shouting robot. I look them in the eyes and correct their misguided ways. (At least that's what I think about doing...)

Wasn't shouting "Robot" FIRST's recommended way of clearing a path in the pits? It would be cool if FIRST could come out and recommend a new process for clearing a path. The ground-breaking idea in this paper would be a great place to start.
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Re: paper: An Analysis of the FIRST Robotics Competition Shouting of "ROBOT!"

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Wasn't shouting "Robot" FIRST's recommended way of clearing a path in the pits? It would be cool if FIRST could come out and recommend a new process for clearing a path. The ground-breaking idea in this paper would be a great place to start.
If you look back at the older threads on that, it may have been "recommended" but teams were informed by the "Safety Advisors"* that it was "recommended"--or actually in some cases, "required".

There's been a LOT of pushback on it being either required or recommended, particularly the part where every pit around whoever is yelling yells too, over the last 7 years or so. Out here it's a little quieter and usually it's targeted for close range, at least what I've been hearing when I'm in the pits.


*I put this in quotes because for a while, it seemed like every other event someone had a complaint about either the requirement to yell robot or somebody in the green (now red) shirts telling someone working with rotary tools to wear gloves.
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Re: paper: An Analysis of the FIRST Robotics Competition Shouting of "ROBOT!"

THANK YOU! Anytime I am with my team, moving our bot through the pits, I stress this emphatically. There is absolutely no reason to be shouting "robot" as loud as you can, when you are trying to clear a path. My go to phrase is either a polite, "watch your back guys, robot coming through," or, "excuse us." It's amazing how well this works (contrary to popular belief) and I don't even need to raise my voice in the process.

I remember being at a competition down south once, and the safety advisor at the competition actually insisted to us that we shout Robot while moving, as it was more "safe." I couldn't believe it.

To all those reading, please oh please stop this unnecessary tradition.
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Re: paper: An Analysis of the FIRST Robotics Competition Shouting of "ROBOT!"

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I remember being at a competition down south once, and the safety advisor at the competition actually insisted to us that we shout Robot while moving, as it was more "safe." I couldn't believe it.
Not sure how far South you went but this is the unfortunate truth down here. We have now taken to having a member of the team stand in front of the cart and politely clear a path, we aren't the only team starting this change down here but we are still a minority.
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Re: paper: An Analysis of the FIRST Robotics Competition Shouting of "ROBOT!"

This paper could be more scientific, as it is lacking the control of not saying anything at all. It could be that "ROBOT!" impedes the natural crowd movement. Also, you could test against other methods like heralding trumpets or a car horn.
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This paper could be more scientific, as it is lacking the control of not saying anything at all. It could be that "ROBOT!" impedes the natural crowd movement. Also, you could test against other methods like heralding trumpets or a car horn.
The problem with saying nothing as a control is that the basis for the paper is in getting the attention of others while trying to keep to a set schedule. Presumably, if we all paid attention then we wouldn’t need to conduct these invaluable scientific surveys to begin with.

Though heralding trumpets do sound cool.
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Re: paper: An Analysis of the FIRST Robotics Competition Shouting of "ROBOT!"

This should be required reading for safety advisors.

A very minor note: It looks like there are some LaTeX issues with the quotes going the wrong directions. That should be easy to fix.
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Re: paper: An Analysis of the FIRST Robotics Competition Shouting of "ROBOT!"

This is good advice for safely working in a pit environment. It can be a tough habit for some to break though. I have found that we get good results by dissuading unsafe behavior with the use of a Safety Stick (tm).

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Re: paper: An Analysis of the FIRST Robotics Competition Shouting of "ROBOT!"

Thank you for this groundbreaking study.

Team 2706 will look into implementing the other suggestions from your paper as well, including not wearing intimidating-looking pants and refraining from running over the programmers while in the practice field. I think this will greatly decrease the turnover rates of our programming students. Great ideas.
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