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Re: Complete Shipping Failure

I have worked in a shipping and receiving department before and have seen some pretty incredible damage. On one occasion fedex actually managed to break a solid steel control arm that belonged to a Ford Explorer. I don't see how that is possible short of running it over with something. Another time, we received a shippment of rusted sheet metal brackets, in a waterfilled bag with an appology note taped to it. Other times packages would simply disappear or come in with boxes mangled beyond belief.
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Re: Complete Shipping Failure

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I can beat you all. After LSR, 57's crate just disappeared for about a week. Yellow Freight said they'd given it to Fed Ex. Fed Ex said they never got it, and it was nowhere to be found at the arena. Then it just magically appeared at Fed Ex and got to our shop, also in Houston, shortly after. Granted we've ended up with a crate, eventually, but I was pretty worried about the large amount of expensive tools we had packed in that crate.
The same thing happened to us after Lonestar. We spent like four hours on the phone for Fed Ex to finally say, 'OH! Your robot is still in Houston!' The robot was shipped back to the school a few days later.
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Re: Complete Shipping Failure

This probably isnt as bad but still should be added to the list of complaints


When i was sitting in the stands of WMR during the finals i happened to be looking over at the are by where the dj was and i saw our crate going by and then i saw them almost drop ot right there and tip it on its side. By random chance of pure luck my dad just happened to be standing under it as he was walking to the stands and he caught it.

i dont know if this is a fedex failure or a somebody else failurs but these people need to be more careful
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Re: Complete Shipping Failure

We recently redsigned our crate. There is additional support on the bottom area. More room was given to be picked up by the fork trucks. To combat being stacked or left in the rain during competitions, the craate is part of the pit design. This was all down because a few years ago we had a forklight go through the crate as well.
Yes, none of this should happen but perhaps we should consider that techincally you can ship the robot for free.
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Re: Complete Shipping Failure

There is nothing you can do about having scuffs and scrapes on the outside of the crates and it will happen in shipping. 237's own crate is finished nicely on the outside and it has some marks on it. When the crates are put on trucks, planes, loading docks they will rub up against other objects. They can even get scuffed with the bulkhead on the forklift. Expecting to always have a pristine exterior on a crate is unrealistic.

Now, having large gouges, punctures and holes in the create is unacceptable. The problem lies in trying to figure out WHO did it. While FedEx shipped it they might have had nothing to do with the damage. The people at the venue may have damaged it during loading or unloading. FedEx doesn't load/unload the trucks at the venues, that's where the shipping/recieving department at each venue comes in. They could damage something then shrink wrap it and then load it on the truck when FedEx shows up.

At times I've had to fill in at the shipping and recieving department where I work. I can also tell you that don't be surprised if settling a claim takes weeks or even months. If you do notice damage to your crate photograph it BEFORE you open it. Take pictures of all sides. Then take more photos as you open it then finally of the contents. Also when you get the paperwork/bill of landing from the truck/shipper make a note of the damage at time of delivery when you sign for it.
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Re: Complete Shipping Failure

Our crate magically gained at least 45 pounds. They charged us for 55 lbs over. It's the same crate we've used since our rookie year (2002), and we've never had overage charges before. The robot was 10 lbs overweight, but we can't acount for the other 45. This is all assuming that the crate weighs 280 lb crate with a 120 lb robot in it and no batteries or extras.
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Re: Complete Shipping Failure

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Our crate magically gained at least 45 pounds. They charged us for 55 lbs over. It's the same crate we've used since our rookie year (2002), and we've never had overage charges before. The robot was 10 lbs overweight, but we can't acount for the other 45. This is all assuming that the crate weighs 280 lb crate with a 120 lb robot in it and no batteries or extras.
The drayage company did this to 100 at least two times while I was on the team, and possibly more since.

In my senior year, FedEx weighed our crate at 280 lbs. All we shipped in it was the robot, and the controls.

We arrived at our first regional, and drayage was saying that we had to pay around $100 in overweight fees.

So apparently on the way to Sacramento, the crate jumped from ~280 lbs to ~500 lbs.
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At the Phoenix regional we noticed someone had taken the "door" side off our crate but then put it back almost the same way with the same screws. Hrrrmmm. No damage or anything missing though. At LA all was well. We still have to wait for it to show up back at home so we'll see how that goes.
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Re: Complete Shipping Failure

I recommend not shipping batteries in the crate it has caused our crate to be overweight twice. Take the batteries to comp via someone driving, it is a lot cheaper than having to pay overweight charges. We made a lighter crate this year, we were over 400 because our crate alone was weighing in close to 250. Also they do make composite skids and crates that can come apart and are very light, it is a good investment. Normal wear and tear and objects that protrude are obviously gonna be hit, scraped or broken. Remember FIRST and FedEx sometimes stack crates, you must design your crate with the ability to withstand 1000 pounds on top of it.
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Remember FIRST and FedEx sometimes stack crates, you must design your crate with the ability to withstand 1000 pounds on top of it.
Which is as good a reason as any to mark the crate "Do not stack", "This side up" (with an arrow), etc..
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Which is as good a reason as any to mark the crate "Do not stack", "This side up" (with an arrow), etc..
They will still be stacked
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They will still be stacked
Freight is regularly packaged in non-stackable forms. Consider goods shipped on pallets and shrinkwrapped, for example. Or cardboard shipping containers on skids. Or 300 gallon tanks. These things might be able to handle another object being placed on top of them, but the material handlers will use their judgment in deciding whether or not to actually do so, because they, like the rest of us, want to avoid damage (and corresponding liability).

I realize that FIRST says that crates should be stackable, but if you violate 6.3.2, it's an issue between you and FIRST (and FIRST doesn't really enforce this, or especially care). Your carrier is still obligated to take care of your freight, provided that it meets their own requirements for transport and storage. If your container meets their specifications, and they stack it, or invert it, and it's marked in such a way as to clearly state that these actions are unacceptable, then you should easily be able to file a claim with them for the damage incurred. (For example, FedEx's requirements for freight are here, and here.)

This isn't to say that a strong crate is a bad idea—because even normal handling is often hard on packaging. Just give the carrier some credit for being able to read and understand simple instructions. They're not generally in the business of breaking their customers' wares.

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Freight is regularly packaged in non-stackable forms. Consider goods shipped on pallets and shrinkwrapped, for example. Or cardboard shipping containers on skids. Or 300 gallon tanks. These things might be able to handle another object being placed on top of them, but the material handlers will use their judgment in deciding whether or not to actually do so, because they, like the rest of us, want to avoid damage (and corresponding liability).

I realize that FIRST says that crates should be stackable, but if you violate 6.3.2, it's an issue between you and FIRST (and FIRST doesn't really enforce this, or especially care). Your carrier is still obligated to take care of your freight, provided that it meets their own requirements for transport and storage. If your container meets their specifications, and they stack it, or invert it, and it's marked in such a way as to clearly state that these actions are unacceptable, then you should easily be able to file a claim with them for the damage incurred. (For example, FedEx's requirements for freight are here, and here.)

This isn't to say that a strong crate is a bad idea—because even normal handling is often hard on packaging. Just give the carrier some credit for being able to read and understand simple instructions. They're not generally in the business of breaking their customers' wares.
The contractors stack crates during storage while you are at the event. The tunnel access to the dome last year at Nationals, if you remember correctly, had all the crates lined up stacked on each other. Crates will be stacked and we have to accept that.
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Which is as good a reason as any to mark the crate "Do not stack", "This side up" (with an arrow), etc..
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All Crates must:
• NEW: Comply with the Wood Materials Regulations above if the crate ships into the U.S.
• Weigh 400 pounds or less in order to avoid drayage overage charges
• Be sturdily built to prevent damage to your equipment
• Have plywood construction to ensure stacking capability during transport
• "Sit" on 2 pieces of 4" by 4" lumber, spaced at least 28" apart so it can be moved by a forklift.
• Have a footprint no greater than 4' by 4' and be no taller than 5'10" (70") high. This maximum
includes the 4" by 4" lumber mentioned above.
• Be capable of being moved by a forklift
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