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Originally posted by dlavery
Then, of course knowing that if I told him something even accidentally that it might end up on this board, I might tell him that everything I might say in the future would be false. Knowing that, he might want to give you a warning that anything I were to let slip, and he were to pass on, would be suspect. I could use that to ensure that everything I said would not be believed, and therefore not passed on. Or if it were passed on it would automatically be interpreted as misinformation, and everyone would assume the inverse was actually true. But knowing that, I could intentionally tell him misinformation, knowing that it would be interpreted as misinformation by him and inverted, and he would then unintentionally post the truth, which would be interpreted as misinformation and - knowing it was misinformation - the inverse (which was actually the inverted truth) would then be revealed to everyone. But since you now know that is possible, I would never do that. But I could just tell him misinformation, and he wold interpret it as such, and then post the truth, but everyone else would think that is was inverted truth and not believe it but believe the inverse. So then they would actually be believing the truth. But we already know that I would never leak out anything true, and since I know the potential for the above scenario, I would never let it happen, so everything that I would tell him would have to be real information only, which would then be interpreted as misinformation, inverted by him and posted as real information, misinterpreted as misinformation by you and inverted to be believed as real information, but since you know I would never reveal real information it would then be believed to be misinformation and inverted again into actual misinformation and incorrectly believed to be real information. Or not.
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Ok, here are my thoughts... First, I think Dave would neever post any true information, inverted or not, through himself or through another person. Thhe simple reasoning is that we all will interpret that information differently. Some think one level deep, and will invert it. Others think two, and will invert it twice, and so on. Others will assume it's gobblydegook from the beginning. However, I think Dave might post true information,, if he is ssure that nobody will even know it's there.
On a completely unrelated but related note, I am re-reading "Ender's Game" lattely. It's creepy how many similarities I am seeing between this thread and the Ender's game book series. The pictures of these computer "desks". The series of logical arguments. And so on and so on... In one of the books Bean sends out a note wheen he is in captivity by encoding it in an image of a dragon, I believe. Nobody suspects that an image has anything meaningful in it, so it goes out unseensored. Dave's probably already sent out the game somehow simply encoded in a message. We are too busy trying to figure out his complicated logic when the answer is sitting right in front of us. And he's probably been laughing hysterically at all these posts when the game is literally staring us all in the face. But perhaps, we will not find Davve laughing, anymore.
Oh well eenough procrastination. It's been fun, but I've really got to start my larb report due tomorrow.
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- Patrick
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10-11-2003, 09:31
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