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hanging off off other robots that are hanging off the horiz bar
can it be done and is it legal
or how about allowing other robots to latch on to you?? thanks dahl |
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Please Read The Rules !
PLEASE read the rules.
It is not stated as "illegal" but it won't score any points. From 4.3.1 - Definitions (emphasis added) Quote:
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Re: hanging off off other robots that are hanging off the horiz bar
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BUT, my interpretation is that both robots do not get 50 points, only the one attached to the bar gets the points. Quote:
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Wetzel Last edited by Wetzel : 12-01-2004 at 11:57. Reason: Clairification |
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Re: hanging off off other robots that are hanging off the horiz bar
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Re: hanging off off other robots that are hanging off the horiz bar
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Read twice, post once! Wetzel |
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Re: hanging off off other robots that are hanging off the horiz bar
If robot1 is hanging off robot2, then all of robot1's weight is still directly supported from the bar. The bar is holding all 260 lbs. We took that rule as to say that was allowed, and believe that it is.
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Re: hanging off off other robots that are hanging off the horiz bar
Take the rules as they are stated, if it says you can get points by hanging off the horizontal bar, it means you can only get points by hanging off the horizontal bar.
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Re: hanging off off other robots that are hanging off the horiz bar
The wording says "hanging from the horizontal bar". Is the other robot a horizontal bar? I don't think so....
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Re: hanging off off other robots that are hanging off the horiz bar
I guess this is where differences of interpretation come in and FIRST probably needs to clarify. Most of the people that mentioned anything about this rule would interpret a robot hanging from another which is hanging from the bar as not scoring points. But I would definetly agree with nic_radford. At first reading of this rule it seems obvious (to me) that a robot hanging off a robot which is supported by the bar is also supported by the bar- a transitivity of sorts.
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Re: hanging off off other robots that are hanging off the horiz bar
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Here is my interpretation based on that rule. Quote:
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However, I'm am open to the fact that there may be another place in the manual that casts some doubt, can you point me to it? |
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Re: hanging off off other robots that are hanging off the horiz bar
And now I come in with the basic game rules. Any object attached to a robot is considered to be an extension of the robot. Applied to rule <G21>
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This reminds me of something that we did last year in houston, which I believe was mentioned in another post. We managed to climb completely on top of another robot on top of the ramp. Since the other robot was only touching the top of the ramp and we were only touching them, we counted as being on top of the ramp. I know it isn't exactly the same, and I don't know if FIRST changed the wording of the rules to close this loophole, but based on this, both bots would score 50pts.
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Re: hanging off off other robots that are hanging off the horiz bar
Right but with safety and common sense, hanging is extremely dangerous then alone having robots hanging off each other!
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