Declining

[Korbin]

I was watching the VCU broadcast, and during the alliance selection there was a team selected, that was not one of the alliance captains, and they declined, I was wondering, why would anyone do this? Am I wrong remembering that this is giving up a chance to continue on in the competition?!?!

[Cory]

There is one time when a team would do this. If their robot was broken beyond repair, they would decline an invitation to the elimination rounds, so that they wouldnt screw over the picking team.

Cory

[Elgin Clock]

As far as decling goes, the info that was announce today at NJ regional was:

If you are in the top 8 and are a "picking" alliance, then you can decline and still accept as a member of another alliances request for you to join them.

If you are a Number 9 ranked team or below, once you decline you can NO LONGER be chosen!

[Tristan Lall]

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock

As far as decling goes, the info that was announce today at NJ regional was:

If you are in the top 8 and are a "picking" alliance, then you can decline and still accept as a member of another alliances request for you to join them.

If you are a Number 9 ranked team or below, once you decline you can NO LONGER be chosen!

Originally Posted by Section 7.4.1

If the team accepts, it is moved into that Alliance. If the team declines, it is not
eligible to be picked again and the Alliance Captain extends another invitation to a different team.

According to the rules, that's not correct. Any team that declines may not be picked again. If however, they are (or become) a picking team, they may still form part of an alliance.

[kjohnson]

I don't remember what team declined but I thought that was weird too. Maybe a lot of their members got sick and they wanted to go home and not stay and compete any more.

[Rich Kressly]

The only other time I witnessed such a decline was in Epcot 2002. I believe that too was a broken robot situation.

[trev2023]

Originally Posted by nukemknight

I don't remember what team declined but I thought that was weird too. Maybe a lot of their members got sick and they wanted to go home and not stay and compete any more.

I believe it was one of the "bee" teams with yellow shirts on. There were 3 I think and one of them was 33, so that wasn't them, but I distinctly remember them wearing yellow shirts.

On a side note, I was just wondering if you encountered a situation where you were #9 ranked team and 1 picked 2, etc. and you were invited to another team and you declined, would you still become the #8 alliance captain?

[kjohnson]

Originally Posted by trev2023

On a side note, I was just wondering if you encountered a situation where you were #9 ranked team and 1 picked 2, etc. and you were invited to another team and you declined, would you still become the #8 alliance captain?

The #1 seed picked us, the #2 seed and we accepted. When we accepted #1's offer, they were still the head and we lost our head position which bumped everyone else up one. So 9 became 8. Lets say 8 was invited by 4. 8 declines. They would still be seed 8 and and 4 would just have to pick again.
Make any sense? So yes, if 8 declined they would still be head of that alliance.

[ErichKeane]

This brings up an interesting question taht almost came up at the NJ regionals. My team, 219, ranked #2, was Picked 2nd time through by the #8 seed team (go figure). Now, since we already had an alliance, and were ranked #2, we declined of course.

Now, the question we considered later: Say 1st time through, every team picks their alliance mate #1.

Then, 2nd time through seed #1 picks seed #2, who already has an alliance mate.
1- would this be allowed to happen?
2- what would happen to the alliance mate?

[MissInformation]

Here is why the team declined: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=26441

It must have been a heartbreaking decision to make, but they did the right thing and should be proud of that.

Heidi

[Stephen Kowski]

Originally Posted by ErichKeane

This brings up an interesting question taht almost came up at the NJ regionals. My team, 219, ranked #2, was Picked 2nd time through by the #8 seed team (go figure). Now, since we already had an alliance, and were ranked #2, we declined of course.

Now, the question we considered later: Say 1st time through, every team picks their alliance mate #1.

Then, 2nd time through seed #1 picks seed #2, who already has an alliance mate.
1- would this be allowed to happen?
2- what would happen to the alliance mate?

then they wouldn't be able to choose #2 because #2 is already part of an alliance....it only works if you pick them BEFORE they have a partner....

simple explanation the whole thing
you are one of the top 8 you can decline an offer and still pick
you are not one of the top 8 you can decline, but if you do not end up moving up into the top 8 you are done
if you do move up to the top 8....you can pick....gl ppl

[ngreen]

Originally Posted by ErichKeane

This brings up an interesting question taht almost came up at the NJ regionals. My team, 219, ranked #2, was Picked 2nd time through by the #8 seed team (go figure). Now, since we already had an alliance, and were ranked #2, we declined of course.

Now, the question we considered later: Say 1st time through, every team picks their alliance mate #1.

Then, 2nd time through seed #1 picks seed #2, who already has an alliance mate.
1- would this be allowed to happen?
2- what would happen to the alliance mate?

You can't choose people that are already in an alliance.

Bottom line: There is only one rule!

You can pick anyone who does not already have a partner.

[KenWittlief]

Originally Posted by SilverStar

Bottom line: There is only one rule!

You can pick anyone who does not already have a partner.

um....No!

you cant pick a team that has already declined someone else.

[Korbin]

ok, now that all that is sorted out, why would you pick a broken robot? In Past years of competition teams have purposely picked disabled robots because then they would be able to play as an alliance with the same two teams every time. However, they fixed that last year when the made the rule about every robot in the alliance has to play in at least one match. Soo is this just due to bad scouting?