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[Billfred]

I'll take that a step further.

If you don't agree with him, ignore him completely. Tune him out, don't protest, don't do anything. If the only mentions of him come from him, then the public is largely going to tune out. It's the same way with bullies (not saying that Em is, but the example is true).

[Jack Jones]

Originally Posted by JosephM

Didn't he want to release a pro-Bush alblum to counter act all the anit-Bush stuff? Funny how things work.

No! He didn't need too. The Eminem stuff is self-counteracting.

But if you don't trust Alice, then how about Ben's $0.02?

"Admiration is the daughter of ignorance." - Benjamin Franklin

[Raven_Writer]

** WARNING!! ** I don't condone racism, or any sort of discrimination in any sort of way ** /WARNING!! **

Ok, this is going a lil' way off topic here.

For the racism in America...it's just as bad now as it was when immigrants (sp?) first came. but instead of hating them, they hate the Arabs (mainly) because of 9/11. I, am against this whole concept though. I know a few people are aware that I dispise racism.

For Eminem's bashing on homosexuals and stuff...so what? Do I believe in what he says, no. Do I believe that he makes any sort of decent point w/ those comments, no. All this means is that I ignore the comments. Same as what others should honestly do...if you don't like what the man has to say, don't listen.

I don't believe Eminem is the problem for racism...I believe America is the problem for it. In reality, how can one man, just one man, really say what everyone is thinking?

If you want to fight my words with your own...please do so over IM, or PM me.

** WARNING!! ** Stating again that I don't condone racism, or any sort of discrimination in any sort of way ** /WARNING!! **

[MOEmaniac]

My take on the video/song is that in my opinion Em is putting out there a strong message that isn't neccessarily "vote for Kerry" but more along the lines of "Bush has has made quite a few bad decisions like he invested so much money into so many things (i.e. searching for weapons of mass destruction) and alot of the times we have come out empty-handed, also about Bush and his tax-cuts which in my opinion only benefit the "big business" and hurts the every day laboror.

[Wetzel]

Originally Posted by Raven_Writer

For the racism in America...it's just as bad now as it was when immigrants (sp?) first came. but instead of hating them, they hate the Arabs (mainly) because of 9/11. I, am against this whole concept though. I know a few people are aware that I dispise racism.

Which immigrants are you referring to? Who is 'they' who hate the Arabs?

Racism is institutional in this country, and will be around for a long time. That is not to say that it can not be fought and lessened, which it can and needs to be, but just that it is so ingrained in everything that it will not go away overnight.

While you might despise racism, are you an active White Ally struggling along with People of Color against the racism inherent in the system?


Peace and empowerment,
Wetzel

[MOEmaniac]

Originally Posted by Wetzel

Racism is institutional in this country, and will be around for a long time. That is not to say that it can not be fought and lessened, which it can and needs to be, but just that it is so ingrained in everything that it will not go away overnight.

Wetzel

I completely agree with Wetzel. Racism isn't that suddenly just appears, most of the time it is passed down from generation to generation in a family. Like Wetzel said racism is so ingrained in everything these days that trying to stop it over night is like trying to stop the Mississippi river with a pebble.

[Raven_Writer]

Originally Posted by Wetzel

Which immigrants are you referring to? Who is 'they' who hate the Arabs?

Racism is institutional in this country, and will be around for a long time. That is not to say that it can not be fought and lessened, which it can and needs to be, but just that it is so ingrained in everything that it will not go away overnight.

While you might despise racism, are you an active White Ally struggling along with People of Color against the racism inherent in the system?


Peace and empowerment,
Wetzel

The immigrants I am referring to are like the people from Ireland, Scotland, etc...who came here from another country to find the happiness they were/are promised. "They" is the [majority] of the population. So many people are so afraid to even see them because they think that all of them are here to destroy the country (just my own view...but it seems pretty valid).

I do realize that racism will never perish. I accept that, but the way it is preached in America is pathetic in my opinion. Everyone who is against Arabs seems to try and influence other people's morals who don't want to discriminate for no reason (since racism is making a judgement not based on every soul of that race, only a few).

No, I am not a "rebel" fighting for equality (yet). I do support the cause of equality though, and as soon as I can I do plan on joining the fight.

[Bill Gold]

<edit>I give up on fighting stupidity... There's just way too much of it... But I sure as hell won't join those ranks...</edit>

[Joe Matt]

Originally Posted by Jack Jones

No! He didn't need too. The Eminem stuff is self-counteracting.

But if you don't trust Alice, then how about Ben's $0.02?

"Admiration is the daughter of ignorance." - Benjamin Franklin

Go Ask Alice, I Think She'll Know
When Logic And Proportion
Have Fallend Sloppy Dead
And The While Night Is Talking Backwards
And The Red Queen's "Off With Her Head!"
So Remeber What The Door Mouse Said
FEEEEEEDDDD YOOOOUURRRR HEEEEAAADDD!

I love that song, "White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane, just kinda shows you our current politcal climate.

As for the other Alice, he was biased, but I believe in Ben's quote.

[RudimentaryPeni]

i have not heard it, but i have heard what he tries to say in it. I think it is hypocritical of Eminem (sorry i dont know how to make the backwards E) becuase in his other albums he talks of killing and murdering his ex wife and mom ect. Then in this he talks of peace and anti-war beliefs. Personally i think many stars are trying to cash in on the same idea as micheal moore had, the difference is is that micheal moore did it good.

[Raven_Writer]

Originally Posted by RudimentaryPeni

i have not heard it, but i have heard what he tries to say in it. I think it is hypocritical of Eminem (sorry i dont know how to make the backwards E) becuase in his other albums he talks of killing and murdering his ex wife and mom ect. Then in this he talks of peace and anti-war beliefs. Personally i think many stars are trying to cash in on the same idea as micheal moore had, the difference is is that micheal moore did it good.

It's not hypocritical (or contradicting). He's not saying we should have world peace, or really not gone into war. He thinks Bush should do it all himself, since he's the only one who actually wants it.

[MOEmaniac]

Originally Posted by Raven_Writer

It's not hypocritical (or contradicting). He's not saying we should have world peace, or really not gone into war. He thinks Bush should do it all himself, since he's the only one who actually wants it.

exactly

[Raven_Writer]

This song is up for grabs on the interpretation. All I can honestly say is that to say E is being a hypocrite, a contradictor, or whatever like that just because he's preaching about there being no Iraq war is actually wrong.

As I said earlier, he's not saying there should be no war...just that Bush should do his own work. We got pushed into this to fast to actually've known what was going on. Not to mention the fact that Bush flip-flopped about the war...saying first it was for the WMD's, but now it's to destroy Saddam and rebuild Iraq into the perfect country.

I know this has gone off topic (what I just typed), but that's how it boils down to really with the war concept in the song.

No matter how you think about it though, he's still not saying he supports Kerry in the song, nor does he support the other 7 runners for the seat. All he's saying (just as someone else said) is that he's saying don't vote for Bush, and here's why. So, he's actually not influencing the vote to much (he is, but it's not as bad as what it could be).

If anything, he's actually influencing people to vote (take the 2nd & 3rd verse).

[Jack Jones]

Originally Posted by JosephM

I love that song, "White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane, just kinda shows you our current politcal climate.

Say it isn't so, Joe! I thought drugs were soooo passé.

(Expletive deleted)! I graduated high school to White Rabbit, but graduated college knowing that instead of playing their guitar, they were really playing me.

And now you do what they told ya, now you're under control.

[Adam Y.]

Yet Jerry Falwell can get away with it? It's his opinion, and IMHO if he says something you don't like, DON'T SUPPORT HIM. We're all entitled to our own opinion on things, just because he's a celebrity dosn't mean he should censor himself.

For Eminem's bashing on homosexuals and stuff...so what? Do I believe in what he says, no. Do I believe that he makes any sort of decent point w/ those comments, no. All this means is that I ignore the comments. Same as what others should honestly do...if you don't like what the man has to say, don't listen.

It's not that the fact that he should censor himself. It's the fact that he is saying to completely contradictory things and he loses any clout he has because of this. Let us all unite to defeat Bush until my next song where I try and divide us.

It's the same way with bullies (not saying that Em is, but the example is true).

Your example doesn't work. I have been bullied enough throughout school to know that ignoring it doesn't work.