Official 2005 Clue Thread

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by SilverStar

I wonder if the FIRST game designers look through our speculative posts and have a fit of laughter.

Look through the posts - Yes.

Fit of laughter? Idk.. maybe?

All this guessing is making me want to ask just one simple question.

Dave, how is that animation coming along?
Are you spending a 3rd straight winter break behind the screen of a computer running 3D Studio Max making some more funny robots do things that defy gravity?

[dlavery]

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock

Look through the posts - Yes.

Fit of laughter? Idk.. maybe?

All this guessing is making me want to ask just one simple question.

Dave, how is that animation coming along?
Are you spending a 3rd straight winter break behind the screen of a computer running 3D Studio Max making some more funny robots do things that defy gravity?

I don't use 3D Studio Max, because I refuse to use a PC. It's all done with Lightwave on a Mac.

-dave

[Pin Man]

also another thought... Maybe when they say PI, they mean something along the lines of a circle... like a circular field...

[Peter Matteson]

Haven't gotten through all the posts but:

1. St. Pepper the movie stars Peter Frampton, and the Bee Gees I belive, not the Beatles even though it's based on their album by the same name so strike those references.

2. There are 9 unassited triple plays in the history of baseball the most recent being two years ago and, usless fact, one of the more famous ones being exectued by John Valentin of the Boston Red Sox during Alex Rodriguez's first major league game, Seatle Mariners. This being said I think the names John Neun and George Burns have signifigance. For example a cigar shaped object?

3. The Pyramids of Giza: take their perimiter and divide it by their height, when they had cover stones and you get Pi. There fore I think there is a pyramid in the field or as a scoring object.

Pete

[Jay5780]

My prediction is at the bottom, but my reasoning comes first.

I think we're forgetting some of the things that have been said in past years about the evolution of the game's design...

1. The game needs to be easy to watch for the spectator who has no knowledge of the game and who can easily know who is winning.

2. Alliances have been a teaching tool, teaching us that in the real world sometimes you need to work with your competitors to better one another.

3. Programming and autonomous mode have become a major part of the game and if what Dave said is true, then IR will be BIG this year.

While wearing Amethyst colored glasses, John Neun gave George Burns the
following riddle: "Look closely and you will see something between Pi, You
and Me."

We need to look at the key parts of the hint...

1. Amethyst
Amethyst is a shade purple which is made of red and blue. Possibly the teams have to work as one large team to complete a task to get past whatever is "between" (See #4) them and Pi (See #2)

2. Pi (defined as: the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle)
The goal perhaps is round or cylindrical is shape.

3. You and Me
This represents the two teams. John Neun and George Burns played on different baseball teams.

4. "Look closely and you will see something between Pi, You and Me."
An IR "invisible fence" between the teams and the goal.

5. The baseball tie-in
Too small for the spectator to see as the main scoring object.
Maybe a knock it off the pole type of thing from last year.

6. The Unassisted Triple Play tie-in
Autonomous mode. 3 tasks to complete.


So if your still reading this or skipped ahead here is my prediction.

There will be two teams of two competing on a rectangular field. The match will start with autonomous mode, one alliance member will be activated for the attempt at the "unassisted triple play". At the end of autonomous mode all the robots will be activated and will have to work with the competing alliance to get to a cylindrical or round goal blocked by the IR "invisible fence".

Hope you didn't all fall asleep or get lost reading this. I've been trying to write it while trying to work...

Have fun this year and don't let this hint get you all too stressed, you have 6+ weeks of stress and headaches ahead, but it is all worth it as many of you know.

[Steve W]

[quote=Jay5780
2. Pi (defined as: the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle)
The goal perhaps is round or cylindrical is shape.

[/QUOTE]

As has been stated before :

pi is the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle

Pi when capitalized means product.

There was a deliberate attempt to capitalize Pi which means there is no relationship with a circle. That doesn't mean there won't be but the clues from previous years have been meticulously written.

[Jay5780]

As has been stated before :

pi is the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle

Pi when capitalized means product.

There was a deliberate attempt to capitalize Pi which means there is no relationship with a circle. That doesn't mean there won't be but the clues from previous years have been meticulously written.

Good point let me revise what I said. Maybe Pi doesn't refer to a goal in the sense of cylindrical shape or roundness, maybe it refers to the scoring object. or if you read into the mathematical meaning of the word product it could be the multiplier.

[Swampdude]

I've just had revelation!

OK FIRST just unveiled a new logo

Think about the logo for a minute, it's got a circle (pi) "between" red (me) and blue (you) objects (triangle and square. To celebrate the new logo, they might have built a game around it! And it just so happens that I suggested a game that would do just that in the "you design the 2005 game" thread"!

[Elgin Clock]

Just a thought.. Has anyone looked at the new logo through some purple lenses?

Maybe the new logo is like one of those hidden eye images?

[anna~marie]

Originally Posted by Jay5780

4. "Look closely and you will see something between Pi, You and Me."
An IR "invisible fence" between the teams and the goal.

Perhaps in between the opposing teams there is some sort of "beacon" that blocks IR transmissions, etc. to the robot, forcing the use of sensors in the opponent's territory???

[Ryan Foley]

Notice that in baseball, there is one person on offense (batter) and 9 on defense (fielders).

This also ties in with daves post about the un-even aliances.

Just a thought.

[KimT]

I've still been trying to figure out how the uneven alliances would work. Dave implied that the robots would already sort of be characterized as stronger or weaker. What I can understand is how this will be determined, and how scheduling would work to allow for this determination before the matches begin. In other words, how can it be determined which robots are strong or weak. OR! Maybe they'll simply put down seven teams per match and allow the teams to pick their own alliances.

Again, I just think this idea would be much to complicated to be put into place. The entire elimination tournament would have to be restructured to allow for the elimination, the way I see it. Does anyone have a better understanding of this?

[Ryan Foley]

Originally Posted by KimT

I've still been trying to figure out how the uneven alliances would work. Dave implied that the robots would already sort of be characterized as stronger or weaker.

They wouldnt necessarily be characterized like that. It could just be 2 v 3 with the alliance of 2 having some sort of advantage.

Eliminations could just be alliances of 3. The alliances would use 2 or 3 bots each match depending on which side they are on.

[Pi Is Exactly 3]

No, I see what you're saying, KimT. That's pretty much what I thought when that idea went around. I can't see how it would work out.

Another thought. Maybe this new evolution of the FIRST logo could be a clue itself (without having to look through purple lenses, although that was a clever thought). Maybe the fact that they added depth to the logo can be a clue that a new depth will be added to the field. What comes to my mind would be the same pyramid in the middle of the field idea.

Just a thought.

[Peter Matteson]

Originally Posted by Ryan Foley

Notice that in baseball, there is one person on offense (batter) and 9 on defense (fielders).

Or maybe the defensive team controls the scoring object like in baseball. Although, that might confuse the spectators.