Official 2005 Clue Thread

[ahecht]

While wearing Amethyst colored glasses, John Neun gave George Burns the following riddle: "Look closely and you will see something between Pi, You and Me."

The inital letters is Pi, You, and Me, which are all capitalized in the clue, are PYM. PYM clearly stands for pyramid. Amethyst is a pyramid. Coincidence?

[Michael Hill]

WHAT IF....It were a hexagonal field with 2 alliances (3 teams each)...using baseballs as field objects and there is a circular barrier or goal in the middle? One alliance being the red alliance and the other blue (red+blue=amethyst). Just a thought...

[Jeff K.]

Originally Posted by Michael Hill

WHAT IF....It were a hexagonal field with 2 alliances (3 teams each)...using baseballs as field objects and there is a circular barrier or goal in the middle? One alliance being the red alliance and the other blue (red+blue=amethyst). Just a thought...

What if your robot has to pick up the baseballs and collect it all in the middle and the number of balls your robot has has to be between 5 and 100 in order to win and the number that is closest to the average, 52.5, or 53, will get higher points.

Then again, we might all be goin totally off course on this clue and it might be as simple as the amethyst colored field being just a hexagon, alliances of 3 teams each, and your robot has to pick up a pie and place it between you and someone else.

[tkwetzel]

After about page 8 or 9, I ran out of time for this thread (have other things to do)...but I do have an idea that I didn't see in the posts I read:
What if a robot plays an unassisted triple play somehow in the game (something that the robot does without his alliance partner) and when it does, that team gets the red+blue score.

Edit: I would also like to point out a similarity between John and George: They were both first (FIRST?) baseman

[Conor Ryan]

Its something with a Golden Mean, that would explain the Pi, you and me

[Joel J]

I can definitely also see the pyramid association, if we continue with the baseball reference. Pi is in reference to a circle, and a base is a diamond like shape.

That six sided object, as always, seems to be coming back to mind.

Also, what about Dave Lavery and his liking, along with Dean, of e^i*pi? Isn't e somewhere between 1 and 3?

Also, there is a quote from Cliff Pickover, "Somewhere inside the digits of pi is a representation for all of us -- the atomic coordinates of all our atoms, our genetic code, all our thoughts, all our memories. Given this fact, all of us are alive, and hopefully happy, in pi. Pi makes us live forever. We all lead virtual lives in pi. We are immortal." In the documented discussion of that quote, Cliff says one of his friends from IBM said, "If the binary representation of pi is interpreted as a program in some computer language, perhaps it encodes a simulation of the universe that includes itself, you and me... or maybe it is a movie of your live encoded in some yet-to-be-discovered version of MPEG..."

[Daniel Brim]

"While wearing Amethyst colored glasses, John Neun gave George Burns the following riddle: 'Look closely and you will see something between Pi, You and Me.'"

I apologize if this has been said, but I don't have time to read through 230-something posts. John Neun and George Burns were both baseball players (as I saw when I attempted to read this thread). Baseball is played on a diamond. A diamond and amethyst can both go on rings. Rings are circular, as are glasses, as is the o in the middle of Pi you me. All of these circles are not solid; they have holes in them (donut/bagel shaped). This also goes with "the center is out" rumor earlier.

[Koko Ed]

This thread would probably make it to a thousand replies if it wasn't for the fact that kickoff is next Saturday.

[Steve Howland]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

This thread would probably make it to a thousand replies if it wasn't for the fact that kickoff is next Saturday.

Well...the hint has been out for 2 days and there are 7 days until kickoff. We have 300 replies, so at this rate there will be over 1000 replies by kickoff!

P.S. There have been many repeated ideas. If you intend for others to read your posts, please kindly read the ideas posted before yours. This is not meant as a attack on certain people, but it would save many people time (and CD server space) if you checked for similar ideas before posting.

[Evan Austin]

Here's a theory. Assuming there are only two alliances again, maybe there are three sets of goals (red, blue, and purple) and the purple goals are mutual goals in which both alliances must score in order to receive a score. The amount that each alliance scores in these purple goals could also work as a multiplier to their individual scores as well.

[Max Lobovsky]

I gave up trying to keep up with this thread at about post 150. Does anyone who has kept up care to summarize the ideas currently floating around? Thanks.

[663.keith]

Originally Posted by Max Lobovsky

I gave up trying to keep up with this thread at about post 150. Does anyone who has kept up care to summarize the ideas currently floating around? Thanks.

a summary of over 150 posts! . Most people have given ideas as to what the clue means (go figure). Some claim that the clue has everything to do with the Beatles, and others argue that it is all about baseball. Many (ahem) unique ideas have been brought up. Everyone is frantically trying to figure out what the clue is before the kickoff. People have even come up with entire game designs including graphics!

now on to my own 'unique' thoughts

I think that if one looks back at the clue last year (stairway to heaven), it didn't have much to do with the game, a few small steps, and two ways to get up to a platform, not very much to do at all. The clue seemed to have been there just to wet our appetite, (for which I am very glad). I think that this years clue will be similar, and we will all smack our foreheads and go "OH!" when the game is revealed.

Personally I like the idea that the amethyst has something to do with the layout of the field, or some small aspect (such as different colored Plexiglas, or neutral zones that are purple in color). I love this clue, and I have lost much sleep over it!

[OZ_341]

It is certainly fun to speculate about the game. But, I have a question for our FIRST historians out there.

Has anyone ever guessed the game exactly (or come close)? Has anyone done this more than once?

Just curious.

[Rickertsen2]

While wearing Amethyst colored glasses, John Neun gave George Burns
the following riddle: "Look closely and you will see something
between Pi, You and Me."

There are some definate constraints as to the possible meaning of this clue that have not been mentioned.

Amethyst colored - I think that the addition of the word colored means that this part of the clue has more to do with the color of Amethyst than than the structure or any other attribute ot amethyst.

Look closely and you will see something
between Pi, You and Me - Secondly there is a bit of ambiguity with the sentence structure of the last part,"Look closely and you will see something between Pi, You and Me". This could be one of two things both of which have two different meanings. It could be listing 3 things that are seen when you look closely, "something between pie", "you" and "me". It could also mean that when you look closely, you see you and me between pi.

There has been alot of concentration on connections between the various things mentioned in the clue but very little attention to how they relate in the context of the clue. FIRST could have just given us a clue that read something like "John Neun, You, Glasses, Me, pi, Amethyst, Emerald, look closely,George Burns" but they didn't. The structure of the sentence is purposeful and there for a reason.

[Conor Ryan]

Originally Posted by MikeDubreuil

This is an offical game clue for the 2005 season from a FIRST e-mail blast on December 30, 2004. It is documented in this thread. It has been brought into the Rumor Mill for discussion to keep the E-Mail Blast Archive in a more pure state...Any ideas?

ok i think i've figured a majority of it out. If you have noticed there are at least 2 signs that point to Cleveland:

George Burns and John Neun-Both had unassisted triple plays aggainst Cleveland whatever there name was before WW2

Amethyst Cololered Glasses- Who wears them? Elvis Costello, Bono of U2, Roy Orbison. One thing in common besides the fact they play Rock Music, they are all in or going in this year to the Rock and Roll hall of fame where is it? Cleveland.

This leads me to an idea of what the playing field is like the infamous "Mistake on the Lake" in Cleveland. do you know the design of the stadium? Its a horseshoe oh it was called the mistake on the lake because of the really high winds coming off the lake and the really bad indian teams.

Note I believe this is where John Neun had his unassisted triple play here, george burns did it 9 years before it was built which was in 1932.

Thats the shape of the field, and inbetween the horse shoe is a big cylindrical figure, completing there is something between Pi, you, and me.

what do you think of my idea?