Official 2005 Clue Thread

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by dlavery

Just try looking at it from a different viewpoint - like that of the folks at FIRST. They have to get everything ready for the kick-off, finish packing the kits, ship out all the materials to the remote kick-off sites, complete the game design, publish the documentation, send out the field drawings, complete all the corporate agreements, confirm registration of all the teams, proofread the game rules for the 1435th time, purchase JVN's birthstone, coordinate the satellie connection for the broadcast, procure all the spare parts that will be needed, prepare to handle the inevitable questions from teams, and about 750 other things. From their standpoint, Kick-off is a masive stress point. Ship date is a walk in the woods in comparison.

(just a gentle reminder not to limit yourself to just one viewpoint - every problem can and should be examined from different angles)

-dave

Did anyone pick up on this clue?

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Did anyone pick up on this clue?

Yes, It's Amethyst.. Been there, done that..

Try reading the whole thread before you post.. Or at least searching.

[Rayvon121]

I think this year will have three alliance teams. Last year was the red on one side and blue on the other with two teams on each alliance. I think this year it will be a red alliance, blue alliance, and a purple alliance each with two robots of course with a pyramaidal looking field.

[Peter Matteson]

I know this has been mentioned several places already but here is a link to the info on John Neun & George Burns.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/feats8.shtml

Pete

[meaubry]

Did you know that there were 2 guys named George Burns that played baseball? Yes, one did complete a triple play, the other didn't. What if the other George Burns had something else in common (between) himself and Johnny Nuen! So far - I have found out that they share the same middle name - Henry, for what its worth.

[663.keith]

ok, I have read all 480+ posts in this forum, and have noticed many repeats of ideas. To clear up some of the most common ideas, I have decided to compile them into one post.

note: most of these aren't my ideas, I am just compiling them

'"While wearing Amethyst colored glasses, John Neun gave George Burns the following riddle: "Look closely and you will see something between Pi, You and Me." '

~Amethyst - six sided purple crystal
__________- six sides could relate to a hexagonal or other shaped field
__________- purple is a combonation of red and blue
______________*possibility of a third neutral alliance
_______________*possibility of different alliances: 3v3 or 2v2v2
__________- related to infared
______________*special glasses, can see infared signal
______________*not true, impossible

~John Neun and George Burns
__________- First basemen
__________- both made unasisted triple plays
______________*relates both to three: more prof of different alliances
__________- average of thier batting averages is .314
__________- George Burns also an actor
______________*played God in Oh God series
______________*three movies made in series
~pi, not capitilized
__________- 3.1415...
__________- noted that a similarity between John, George and PI is 3
______________*even more proof to alliances
__________- relates to the pyramids
______________*possiblity of a pyramid object in the center
______________*possiblity of a pyramid shaped playing field (3 sides)

~Pi, capitialized
__________- means 'product'
__________- not capitalized in the clue
__________- possiblity of winners getting the product of their and opponents socres

~Grammer
__________- "difference between pi, you and me"
__________- perfectly fine
______________*me can be used because there is no verb after it
______________*a comma is not necessasry between you and, 'and'
__________- brings up a question
______________*is there a difference between all three
______________*or a difference between pi, and then you and me


I hope this helps, please look before you post

[snipelfritz]

As I said earlier, the clue clearly states "amethiest colored glasses" They aren't real ametheist, just colored, probably purple.

I belive it will be a 3v3 match, as 3 alliances would be too complicated on a rectangular field(as I still believe it is).

The game must have something to do with performing a triple play by yourself. I also think some sort of color recognition during autonomous mode may be put into play.

[dez250]

Originally Posted by 663.keith

...
~PI, capitilized
__________- 3.1415...
__________- noted that a similarity between John, George and PI is 3
______________*even more proof to alliances
__________- relates to the pyramids
______________*possiblity of a pyramid object in the center
______________*possiblity of a pyramid shaped playing field (3 sides)

~pi, not capitialized
__________- means 'product'
__________- not capitalized in the clue
__________- possiblity of winners getting the product of their and opponents socres
...

You have that backwards, pi is 3.14 and Pi is product while in the clue, Pi was used.

[663.keith]

Originally Posted by dez250

You have that backwards, pi is 3.14 and Pi is product while in the clue, Pi was used.

Whoops! I'm sorry you are right, I had it right before, but my computer kicked me off, and I had to re-type that whole thing, thanks for that

yes, all famous George Burns' have been mentioned

[TRx 145]

If you compare the highest career batting averages of Johnny Neun (.325) and George Burns (.303) you will find that Pi lies exactly halfway between the two numbers. So we think that since Pi is the two batting averages, the robots will have to hit something.

TRx 145

[Petey]

Especially in light of the last post, I'd like to take this time to state my opinion that whoever wrote this hint is probably laughing hysterically at how much we are analyzing it.

--Petey

[Gusman1188]

OK, so about this album thing - here are the titles from the album Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.
With a little help from my friends - alliances?
Diamonds - Another crystallized rock.
64 - lets see.... 2^6 just trying to brainstorm - 6/2 = 3, two teams, 3 in alliance, 6 sided object and/or field
also, Lonely Hearts, without you- could this mean something about no alliance?

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
With A Little Help From My Friends
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Getting Better
Fixing A Hole
She's Leaving Home
Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite!
Within You Without You
When I'm Sixty Four
Lovely Rita
Good Morning Good Morning
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)


any other ideas?

[Gusman1188]

ok...another thing.
Looking through Amethyst glasses, can you tell the difference between red and blue?
What if the drivers have to wear glasses with purple tint and the alliances were not disclosed. Then, everybody would have to find who their alliance. What a nightmare this could be but there were always complaints about pre-strategizing by some people. I'm not so sure of how far in depth they will go with this but imagine sitting in the stands, knowing who is allianced and watching your drivers play the game not knowing their alliance. Also, last year F.I.R.S.T made the new RC's that they can change the color through their controls, allowing know one to know alliances until the game began. Let me know what you think.

[Conor Ryan]

Originally Posted by Gusman1188

ok...another thing.
Looking through Amethyst glasses, can you tell the difference between red and blue?
What if the drivers have to wear glasses with purple tint and the alliances were not disclosed. Then, everybody would have to find who their alliance. What a nightmare this could be but there were always complaints about pre-strategizing by some people. I'm not so sure of how far in depth they will go with this but imagine sitting in the stands, knowing who is allianced and watching your drivers play the game not knowing their alliance. Also, last year F.I.R.S.T made the new RC's that they can change the color through their controls, allowing know one to know alliances until the game began. Let me know what you think.

that glasses idea would add a great twist, but after one game everyone would know the difference, unless the robots emmit a light like last year, but its only visable with the glasses

[Joe Matt]

Since Dave didn't cover the clue on the broadcast, I asked him afterwords about it. He smiled and said, "I guess that's something we forgot to cover, it seemed like I did that on purpose." Here are is explanations...

-the amethist clue- amethist's molecular structure is in the form of a tetra.
-george burns and john neun- the both did tripple plays, the name of this year's game.
-"If you look and you will see" pertains to the fact that the robots can see this year
-"Between Pi, You, Me."- Pi = 3.14ish, You and Me = 2, between 3.14 and 2 is 3, the number of teams in an alliance this year.
-"Something at the VA Science center reminded me about next year's game." - In an exhibit, there was a pendulum that swayed back and forth in the sand, the structure holding it up was a tetra.