Official 2005 Clue Thread

[Max Lobovsky]

I think its pretty clear from the shape of amethyst gems and from the triple-play clue that we are going back to the hexagon fields with 3 teams. Now for the "Pi, you, and me" part...

[phrontist]

Originally Posted by Max Lobovsky

I think its pretty clear from the shape of amethyst gems and from the triple-play clue that we are going back to the hexagon fields with 3 teams. Now for the "Pi, you, and me" part...

Yes I agree. Looking into FIRST History , the astute reader will note that FIRST expects feilds to last for 5 years. The number 5 is also visible in John Neun's user image. This year would be the current feild's sixth if we were to keep it.

[phrontist]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

Could it be something with pyramids?

The Rock and Roll hall of fame is a pyramid shape if i can remember correctly and as previously posted the amethyst has a pyramid on it too. So maybe something in the middle of the field is a pyramid?

Amethyst is in the trigonal/hexagonal crystal system which is reflected in the long prismatic, hexagonal-shaped crystal form, often with a six-sided pyramidal terminations on one end.

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[Franchesca]

Originally Posted by phrontist

Yes I agree. Looking into FIRST History , the astute reader will note that FIRST expects feilds to last for 5 years. The number 5 is also visible in John Neun's user image. This year would be the current feild's sixth if we were to keep it.

I think that since the number 3 keeps coming up, it refers to a third completely different field. Has anyone thought about the possibility of a baseball field shape? ... Could be a possibility .

Anyway, I think that this years game definitely has a different field not a revival of an old one. If they were going to rotate fields every 5 years, rotating 2 different fields doesn't seem worth it ... but that's just me.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Im thinking when they made this hint, they expected people to take the part about Amethyst at face value, and jump to the conclusion there is a 6 sided field. I am also thinking that there is a much deeper meaning to that.

I like phontrists' train of thought with the whole Beatles thing. I'll keep thinking about this clue and post what I think when I am almost sure.

[Bill Gold]

Maybe 3v3 with a rectangular field (made wider to accomodate the third alliance station and alternate for queuing, and possibly 6' longer to accomodate the added width), and a round scoring goal made out of steel/aluminum/pvc (the Pi -> pie) in the middle of the field between the two alliances (you and me)?

There has to be something more, though... either more goals or a ramp, teeter-totter, steps, maybe even additional but less important goals, etc.

[Pin Man]

Originally Posted by Max Lobovsky

I think its pretty clear from the shape of amethyst gems and from the triple-play clue that we are going back to the hexagon fields with 3 teams. Now for the "Pi, you, and me" part...

"pi, you and me" maybe something like one team vs another team vs like a FIRST made robot?

[Max Lobovsky]

Originally Posted by Pin Man

"pi, you and me" maybe something like one team vs another team vs like a FIRST made robot?

Ah, I didn't even consider the three elements in that quote. That does seem to indicate 3 players on the field, and I think its definitley possible for FIRST to make the 6 (well probably 12 for spares) robots neccesary.

[sanddrag]

Can we get anything from this in Dave's latest post

Let's go off on a slight tangent while I throw a cautionary note in here.

Pi is what makes circles, and Dave is talking about tangents. Hrmm. And then he says "throw" Hrmm. Baseballs, donuts, I don't know...

[Scott L.]

Glasses are made of 2 circular lenses connected by a Bridge.
6 sided crystal.

Maybe the game involves a bridge that moves in multiple (6) directions. (Like balanced on one central pivot)



You Can Anything if You Put Your Mind to It.

I Googled John Neun, because the name seemed familiar.
There is a mysterious "John V. Neun" who has been mentioned for years in this forum. I don't know if this is a real person or an alias. I have a super slow connection this weekend, and haven't been able to research further. So "John Neun" might have two meanings, "George Burns" might have two meanings. Everything in the riddle can have multiple meanings. What does it all mean? Maybe the best solution to the game involves Group(Set) Theory, Fractal Geometry, and Topology. The game committee wants us to "DO THE MATH."


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[MikeDubreuil]

Originally Posted by Dr.Bot

I Googled John Neun, because the name seemed familiar.
There is a mysterious "John V. Neun" who has been mentioned for years in this forum. I don't know if this is a real person or an alias.

There is an actual person named John Vielkind-Neun who usually shortens his name to JVN. He is a mechanical engineering student at Clarkson University and is on their team, #229 Division by Zero.
There was much excitment when John's father, also named John Neun began posting on the forum. He is an engineer on team #20 The Rocketeers.

Of course, the question is: we all know Dave Lavery is on the game design comittee. The name John Neun would be known to most people on the forum and many in the FIRST community. He obviously picked that name to confuse us. Was he thinking of something in particular about John Neun, and specifically which CD poster; or was he thinking about Johhny Neun the baseball player?

[Ted Boucher]

Ok... it is kind of weird but I think that it might relate to one of the game guesses in this thread.

Innovation First still has not released their robot controller or operator interface for 2005. Could this mean that they made a major change to the controllers that might give away the 2005 game? I was thinking along the lines of a different radio setup for the 3 vs. 3 at competitions. This would solve the problem mentioned in this thread. If they basically kept the controller form last year then wouldn’t it they just release it?

[Rickertsen2]

Originally Posted by Ted Boucher

Ok... it is kind of weird but I think that it might relate to one of the game guesses in this thread.

Innovation First still has not released their robot controller or operator interface for 2005. Could this mean that they made a major change to the controllers that might give away the 2005 game? I was thinking along the lines of a different radio setup for the 3 vs. 3 at competitions. This would solve the problem mentioned in this thread. If they basically kept the controller form last year then wouldn’t it they just release it?

The 2004 control sys setup is completely capable of 3v3. The only thing that they would have to change is the team color lights. That wouldn't be a major change at all.

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by Rickertsen2

The 2004 control sys setup is completely capable of 3v3. The only thing that they would have to change is the team color lights. That wouldn't be a major change at all.

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Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

a radius? lol

No, more of a chord in pure center to diameter form, and a radius in a laid over the diameter sense..