**FIRST EMAIL**/Advance Material List for the 2005 Competition Now Available!

[Max Lobovsky]

You were told? by whom?

[dubious elise]

great question max. a mentor stated today that she recieved a follow-up email concerning the list that stated this figure and also said that you would need 100-150 encaps minimum to build a practice field. i'm not a big advocate of spreading erroneous rumors, so if any of you can verify/denounce this, please let me know!

[Max Lobovsky]

Sounds pretty specious. You'd think it would be posted about if anyone else had heard it...

[ebmonon36]

Originally Posted by dubious elise

after some discussions i had today, i really think that those PVC endcaps will be for short pieces that would be used as game/scoring pieces, like the balls were last year. i was told that we would need 1000 endcaps overall to build the entire field, though only 24 are listed on the advance materials list.

24 endcaps + 24 of the 1/4" bolts = magnetic scoring item - or not
Eric

[rees2001]

Originally Posted by MikeDubreuil

There's 100 feet of 1 1/4 in. Sch. 40 Electrical Conduit. Hmm... with all this pipe- anyone thinking of Ladder Logic?

With all of this talk about the PVC, magnet, the washers that go "with" the magnet, the endcaps, the polycarb tube...why has nobody pointed out the schedule 80 PVC tube, which btw is NOT available at our local Home Depot.
Everything else has been pretty easy to get, Looks like I'll need to contact a plumbing supply or electrical supply store.

& yes I believe the chain the magnet & the 2 washers go together.

[Bcahn836]

Did last years Material List include the carpet? Because i don't see carpet listed.

[dez250]

no carpet is normally not included in the BOM. And if i remember right first normally will include sample squares of the different surface materials in the KOP.

--Remember In 2003 and 2004, in the "Cheap BOM" 1/8" and 1/4" pieces of plywood was used in place of HDPE, Polycarbonate and other higher priced surface materials. So dont be surprised if item 6 will 'sit' on 7 but is a seperate material in the real field BOM.

[Charley]

Well, aside from the "amathyst" in the hint, the yellow could be another version of the three-alliance theory.

Red, blue, yellow... the primary colors. I mean, that's kinda a FIRST thing to do. They could use it like the gaffer tape last year as some sort of guide.

[jrocket567]

How about the steel bars used to create the pull-up bar, or the supports for the kickball cage.. were they on the list last year?

[663.keith]

Originally Posted by jrocket567

How about the steel bars used to create the pull-up bar, or the supports for the kickball cage.. were they on the list last year?

there was a way to create the bar in the BOM last year. I'm not too sure what you mean by the kickball cage, I assume that you mean the ball corral that sat on top of the operator station. The supports were not included in the cheap BOM. If you mean the coral that was used for the human players to access the balls, that was also not included (I don't think).

This is a very strange BOM this year, the magnet really intrigues me, I think it has something to do with autonomous mode, I don't know why, just a feeling.

[Aaron Lussier]

The total for everything listed is $117.95

[petek]

Originally Posted by JohnBoucher

Is not the electrical PVC very rigid? Unlike the white used last year?

There's not a big difference in rigidity between white sch40 and grey. The PVC polymer is pretty much the same, except for pigments. 1-1/4 sch40 dimensions are: 1.660 OD 1.380 ID (.140 Wall) (from Carlon's datasheet). The 24 caps and lack of tee and elbow fittings makes me doubt that the conduit is used for a railing...

[Max Lobovsky]

Everyone obsessing over clues and the BOM lists seems to forget that there is a much wider range of games then ones we seem to be restricting our thought (in orders of magnitude, robot size 10^0 feet, weight, 10^2 lbs, field size, 10^1 feet, power 10^2 watts, etc.) But the BOM seems to indicate that we are still dealing wiht a similarly sized field (lots of 10 ft pipe, 4x8 plywood, and 8 foot pieces of lumber.)

Of course, there are plenty of reasons for FIRST not modifying the game significantly, but I don't think the general stuff was a given

[sanddrag]

I think with the relatively small amount of materials (in relation to previous years) that the field will be mostly flat.

[663.keith]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

I think with the relatively small amount of materials (in relation to previous years) that the field will be mostly flat.

I agree, I think that we will have some small complex element on the field. Whatever happens, its going to be crazy!