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Re: I think we found our limit ..

As Brandon has said we are taking steps to handle the extra load for now and the near future. The timing is not great but we have been working on the upgrade for awhile and are solving several roadblocks along the way.

As Brandon has said, he is the MAIN man I am only an ad visor or sorts not the expert by any means. I have diverted his energy as of late by making the site self sufficient in terms of funding. This energy could have been spent making improvements. I am looking toward the future and it was a MUST make it now activity.

We (Brandon) will work his usual magic in the coming rush of traffic and if all plans fall into place we will be faster and stronger to carry the load the Community of FIRST is in need of.

Thank you for your continued support. We will do our best!

As far as offers to have free or reduced rates on another systems..... there is much more to the site than just moving. Much of the site is custom written and changing locations is not a easy or speedy task. It is also very risky this close to the FIRST crunch.

Again, a special thank you to the Community of FIRST.
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Re: I think we found our limit ..

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As Brandon has said we are taking steps to handle the extra load for now and the near future. The timing is not great but we have been working on the upgrade for awhile and are solving several roadblocks along the way.

As Brandon has said, he is the MAIN man I am only an ad visor or sorts not the expert by any means. I have diverted his energy as of late by making the site self sufficient in terms of funding. This energy could have been spent making improvements. I am looking toward the future and it was a MUST make it now activity.

We (Brandon) will work his usual magic in the coming rush of traffic and if all plans fall into place we will be faster and stronger to carry the load the Community of FIRST is in need of.

Thank you for your continued support. We will do our best!

As far as offers to have free or reduced rates on another systems..... there is much more to the site than just moving. Much of the site is custom written and changing locations is not a easy or speedy task. It is also very risky this close to the FIRST crunch.

Again, a special thank you to the Community of FIRST.
Mike,

Seeing that it is the time of the year where CD gets the most hits wouldn't be the best time to do a move, I know that the whole moving isn't as easy as transferring files, its also about reconfiguring and all that great stuff. That is where/why I just crawled CD to see how much it really needs and what my servers need to run the site. Could be why my ip is listed as #2...

MY offer was a little late in the year ( early in the season). But it was just an idea which I thought of that would help with the costs to your team and hardware issues. Each year FIRST grows and being that Chiefdelphi is one of the most used websites it will need to grow to allow for all the new users to get their fix of FIRST.

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Re: I think we found our limit ..

How about using the Squid cache in http-accelerator mode on Mike's server? That way, you can leave the current configuration in place and take advantage of both extra bandwidth and reduce processing when people are dealing with both static elements and threads which haven't been touched in a while. And the configuration of that is a lot simpler than moving servers.

To balance load between any number of volunteer caches and the primary server, you could us one of many load balancers (pen, plb, etc.) or round-robin DNS. Then each cache server would run squid and set itself to be caching chiefdelphi.com. When the squids can't serve requests, they will pass them back the the current server.

That might help some with performance.
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Re: I think we found our limit ..

Instead of denying guests all together, we just allow registered members to use the forums before guests do? i.e., a guest would get an error message before a registered member.
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Re: I think we found our limit ..

what about some system that based your priority of access to the server off of reputation? Like it would be guests with the lowest priority, and then registered users, and then go up as your rep went up...

Just an idea....
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Re: I think we found our limit ..

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what about some system that based your priority of access to the server off of reputation? Like it would be guests with the lowest priority, and then registered users, and then go up as your rep went up...

Just an idea....
That sounds like a good idea.

Man i would sure donate money to keep Chief Delphi running.

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Re: I think we found our limit ..

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what about some system that based your priority of access to the server off of reputation? Like it would be guests with the lowest priority, and then registered users, and then go up as your rep went up...

Just an idea....
I highly disagree. Most members of this forum have one or no dots, and if you think about it, most questions (at least during the season) come from new members asking questions for their team. I think that blocking members with little/no rep would be counterproductive to the purpose of the forums

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Re: I think we found our limit ..

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what about some system that based your priority of access to the server off of reputation? Like it would be guests with the lowest priority, and then registered users, and then go up as your rep went up...

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Main problem with that would be that the people who gain (possibly), the most use out of CD will find it harder because they don't have rep...
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Re: I think we found our limit ..

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Main problem with that would be that the people who gain (possibly), the most use out of CD will find it harder because they don't have rep...
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Re: I think we found our limit ..

I think the CD crew is doing a great job with the service they already provide. I would like to thank Brandon for his tremendous amount of time that he dedicates to these forums and his quick notice of and reaction to this problem. I agree with the many people that have said that this occurance does not warrant an upgrade (although it would be nice) because we have hit that limit once (probably coming close a couple of other times) and it will only occur a few times a year. Merchandise would be cool, but I don't think that the number of consumers would warrant it. A lot of the people on this site would buy it when it first came out but then the sales would drop and probably be very low for a long time to come.

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Re: I think we found our limit ..

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what about some system that based your priority of access to the server off of reputation? Like it would be guests with the lowest priority, and then registered users, and then go up as your rep went up...

Just an idea....
But then you are basing access to the site off of what is essentially an arbitrary qualitative measurement.

I don't think so--

I think we really just need to all pitch in some cash and buy Brandon a new server. FIRST is growing--it is logical that it's de facto online community would need to as well.

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Re: I think we found our limit ..

I agree with Amanda totally on this one. Just because a guest doesnt register doesnt mean they arent part of a FIRST team or another interested party. To deny access to forums denies them a chance to learn about FIRST and the greater community. At the same time, internet privacy is an issue now, and although everyone on CD knows that their information is safe, the average visitor may not be aware of that fact. Many 188 members have no account on these forums but still check them every day and are clued into what is going on. Besides, just how often does CD hit it's limit? I'd venture a guess of no more than 6-8 times per year, usually at this time right after build, in the middle of competition and after nationals. If its a matter of finance, it might be easier to do what Amanda suggested than to organize anything major.

I know this isnt what anyone had in mind, but theres no reason to keep the community of FIRST a gated one the Internet.
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Instead of denying guests all together, we just allow registered members to use the forums before guests do? i.e., a guest would get an error message before a registered member.
I don't think its as easy as it sounds, it'd be pretty difficult to prioritize access...
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Re: I think we found our limit ..

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I don't think its as easy as it sounds, it'd be pretty difficult to prioritize access...
No one ever said it would be easy.

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I dont know anything about PHP, but i dont really think you could do this. For people that dont save their login information, they come onto the site as a guest before they'd log in....if the website would block out guests in favor of the registered user, they never would be able to get in until it has cleared out enough for them to get on and log in.
Yeah, i am not sure how it works at CD, but you might show up as a guess even if you are set to auto login. I mean there could be that split 1/2 of a second before your logged on, lol. If not then all everyone would have to do is have there computer "remember them".
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Re: I think we found our limit ..

I am definetly opposed to limiting anyones access to the site. What about people who are not members but might become one? Should a person have to register in order to evaluate the site (decide whether they want to register)? Additionally I also disagree with limiting access based on reputation. As most people reading this are members of a robotics team or club most of you probaly know what I mean when I say that I am totally fed up with most "class president" and "prom queen" type popularity contests. I dont want to turn this into a debate over the rep system, but while it is not just a popularity contest, it is based on the same principle, and I dont beleive it should be used to limit access to the site. Also new teams are the ones that need help the most, and they would be low on the priority list.

Personally I like the donations idea. So the number of people is 300. If each of those people donated a dollar that would buy an ok processory (I have no idea what is being used now but I assume an upgrade would cost more than $300). If one hundred of those people though "hey im feeling generous make it ten bucks" another hundred thought "hey what the heck five bucks isnt that much" and the last hundred decided they could afford a dollar easily enough that would come out to 1600 dollars (I think). Suppose another few people are very well off and figured they could chip in a hundred dollars. Pretty soon you are talking about serious money.
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