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Re: When do mentors go too far?

I want to throw something out to everyone, mentors don't necessarily go to far when they do everything themselves, sometimes that is needed. What everyone should watch out for is when mentors start rigging the team to where they control everything in a student run team. The students have no say, but this is hidden as the "mentors" throw the students out into sea, have them drown, then show that this is a student run team because there is student failure, along with student "success". They forget to mention the students have no say in that success nor do the students have any choice or input into their failure too. The extreme differences in ideas of how to run a team disguises what is actually going on. I've seen this happen in a team, it's not pretty at ALL.

What we should be looking for are mentors who MENTOR. WOW! RADICAL CONCEPT! Mentors who show the students what to do, let them do work, have them follow them, but still give them enough rope to hang themselves are true mentors. Mentors who call all the shots, use the students as pawns, and hide behind the students aren't mentors, they are control freaks, cowards, and insecure people who must use a robotics team to achieve their personal ego boost, with or without the kids. Doing all the work and not mentoring the kids is just lazy.
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Re: When do mentors go too far?

I agree that more and more teams are being dominated by mentors, Im from the San jose Area and in the radius of 10 miles we have Team 254, team 115, team 114, team 8, team 1072, 581... its just crazy. Team 254 does have a really good program, but every time I go to look at their web site i always see the same guy in the green vest working on the robot.
Also lest look at it from a students perspective, who has become a mentor. They never really graduated they're just going another year of FIRST. So I think that there are two sides to the situation.
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Re: When do mentors go too far?

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I agree that more and more teams are being dominated by mentors, Im from the San jose Area and in the radius of 10 miles we have Team 254, team 115, team 114, team 8, team 1072, 581... its just crazy. Team 254 does have a really good program, but every time I go to look at their web site i always see the same guy in the green vest working on the robot.
Also lest look at it from a students perspective, who has become a mentor. They never really graduated they're just going another year of FIRST. So I think that there are two sides to the situation.
I am a freshman on team 1257. This was my first year in robotics and it was quit the expirence. What made me most proud of my team is we had virtually 0 mentor influence. Other then a little advice by a team mates father (who is an engineer) on the design we did EVERYTHING ourselves. In our work area there were usually one adult (a teacher due to legal reasons) and maybe a mentor who usually just did scrap work like cut metal or something. We find much pride in the fact that engineering wise we have only two seniors, are thrid in command is a sophmore, and we only have on junior. If you were in hte Eurie division u may remmber ares it had the arm with the two neumatic hooks. Next year should be intresting since we are going to have no seniors, and the rest is juniors through freshman.
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