2006 Finger Lakes Regional

[Corey Balint]

Congrats to 1126, 229, and 1567 on the win today! I had called Jay (Operator of 229) during the finals, as he was shooting the final balls...whoops.

[tux]

Thanks to 1126 and 229 for a truly intense experience.

Congratulations to Jason for the Woodie Flowers Award and to 340 for the Chairman's Award! Very impressive!

[cool breeze]

HEADS UP to the entire FIRST community, Team 1126 is dominant, they score all ten balls in autonomous and they pick up balls faster than any team I have seen yet. In the finals of FLR the won round 1 in a blowout, then I hear the wire to thier camera failed/broke and that's the only reason the other two matches were close. 1126 is extremely strong!

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by cool breeze

HEADS UP to the entire FIRST community, Team 1126 is dominant, they score all ten balls in autonomous and they pick up balls faster than any team I have seen yet. In the finals of FLR the won round 1 in a blowout, then I hear the wire to thier camera failed/broke and that's the only reason the other two matches were close. 1126 is extremely strong!

and here I thought it was the amazing defense us and 250 were playing on them. Sily me.

[cool breeze]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

and here I thought it was the amazing defense us and 250 were playing on them. Sily me.

This is true, team 191, 250 and 211 played EXCEPTIONALY well, thier defense was the only way to counter a robot(s) (229) that scores well in autonomous. So congratulations to 191, 250 and 211 for strategizing how to be competitive. Traveling here to Rochester was well worth it for me, (hint) a lot can said for scouting

[Adam McLeod]

The fact that 191, 250 and 211 were able to play pretty effective defense in the finals goes to show the importance of having two or more shooting threats on an alliance, particularly playing against such strong teams.

In our (and I use the term "our" very loosely, since all we did was strategy for teams 1591, 145 and 1585) semifinal match against the #1 alliance, we were never going to win without the shooting from our one 3 pt robot (1591). With this in mind, a two robot position defense in front of our own ramp wasn't feasible, since 229 would key on 1591 and stop them. We had to, then, send one robot (in game one it was 1585 and in game two it was 145) to stick to 229 in an effort to both shut down their offense and create space for 1591. This proved an impossible task.

Of course, game two was over about ten seconds in. I'm curious as to whether the time out was for programming. Perhaps someone from the winning teams can comment on this, if it isn't a secret. We saw computers out, so we assumed that the auto modes were being changed so that either 1126 would shoot right from start, or 229 would set a pick (which is what ended up happening). We figured that we couldn't beat a pick, so we had to try to stop the former.

In the case of 191, 250, and 211, all of them could shoot, so a positional defense becomes more viable, due to the fact that a defender could peel off and go shoot. This was, of course, helped by excellent driving (great job). I would have been interested to see what would have happened if 211 was assigned mostly to defense instead of 191, 191 having been the best shooter on the alliance up to that point, and 211 being a strong, solid robot.

I guess the point is: like everyone else, I was impressed by the defense in the finals.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Adam McLeod

The fact that 191, 250 and 211 were able to play pretty effective defense in the finals goes to show the importance of having two or more shooting threats on an alliance, particularly playing against such strong teams.

In our (and I use the term "our" very loosely, since all we did was strategy for teams 1591, 145 and 1585) semifinal match against the #1 alliance, we were never going to win without the shooting from our one 3 pt robot (1591). With this in mind, a two robot position defense in front of our own ramp wasn't feasible, since 229 would key on 1591 and stop them. We had to, then, send one robot (in game one it was 1585 and in game two it was 145) to stick to 229 in an effort to both shut down their offense and create space for 1591. This proved an impossible task.

Of course, game two was over about ten seconds in. I'm curious as to whether the time out was for programming. Perhaps someone from the winning teams can comment on this, if it isn't a secret. We saw computers out, so we assumed that the auto modes were being changed so that either 1126 would shoot right from start, or 229 would set a pick (which is what ended up happening). We figured that we couldn't beat a pick, so we had to try to stop the former.

In the case of 191, 250, and 211, all of them could shoot, so a positional defense becomes more viable, due to the fact that a defender could peel off and go shoot. This was, of course, helped by excellent driving (great job). I would have been interested to see what would have happened if 211 was assigned mostly to defense instead of 191, 191 having been the best shooter on the alliance up to that point, and 211 being a strong, solid robot.

I guess the point is: like everyone else, I was impressed by the defense in the finals.

I was surprised by how effective 211 could be at defense because it looked so tippy but it liked to mix it up. And it did it pretty well (when it took 1405 out I was surprised)
Unfortunately it's wide body design made it impossible to get up on the ramp with us and 250 and if they made it we would have won.

[Alex Cormier]

Originally Posted by Adam McLeod

I'm curious as to whether the time out was for programming. Perhaps someone from the winning teams can comment on this, if it isn't a secret. We saw computers out, so we assumed that the auto modes were being changed so that either 1126 would shoot right from start, or 229 would set a pick (which is what ended up happening). We figured that we couldn't beat a pick, so we had to try to stop the former.

As for my understandings is that we called a time out because the camera on 1567 did not work and as to our understating as everyone else I'm sure, ya could see that 1126's camera was unworkable last final match too. Yes it was a great finals and hope to see all 3 teams at champs!

[Shu Song]

What a great regional! Congratz to the regional winners 229, 1126 and 1567. Also congratz to the regional finalists 191, 250, and 211 for putting up an amazing show duing finals.

Also: thanks to 271 for choosing us and 1551 for being great alliance partners.

I don't mean to complain right now... But did anyone else notice anything unusual about the matchups during qualifications? From our end, it seemed like we got into a lot one side domination matches(where are side got dominated). It is highly probable we just got really unlucky. It would just make me feel a lot better if I got confirmation one way or another.

Unfortunately, this is the end of our season. We will try to make a few off-seasons. Thanks to everyone at FLR for making it great. Hope to see you all next year!

[jzampier]

Well, I figure I'll address this since I spent the whole day behind the scoring table. The matches were generated by the software that FIRST/Hatch provided... I don't know what algorithms it uses, but I'll say that if that module works as well as the rest of the software you are probably on to something.

The software has lots of little problems and some big ones. I think Hatch needs to work on fixing the field portion of the software before they write up flashy guis that are over complicated. They also need to split the software up into smaller pieces with multiple applications. There is no need to have a match generator inside the field control software. (just as an example... there are many more...)

[J Flex 188]

I agree, the algorithims were a constant thorn in our side. Sometimes a single alliance partner that we were with would become an opponent in the next match and vice versa. However, this also occured infrequently and you would end up facing the same teams again and again with virtually the same alliance. But this is just an observation.

Congratulations to all of the award winners and everyone who attended the regional. I along with Adam and Patrick on these forums travelled down to FLR to observe last year and reported back to our team on what a well-run regional it was, with great organization, great support and a great venue. I'm happy to say that everyone else on the team confirmed this for us! It proved to be way better than a day of macroeconomics classes.

Originally Posted by jzampier

Well, I figure I'll address this since I spent the whole day behind the scoring table. The matches were generated by the software that FIRST/Hatch provided... I don't know what algorithms it uses, but I'll say that if that module works as well as the rest of the software you are probably on to something.

The software has lots of little problems and some big ones. I think Hatch needs to work on fixing the field portion of the software before they write up flashy guis that are over complicated. They also need to split the software up into smaller pieces with multiple applications. There is no need to have a match generator inside the field control software. (just as an example... there are many more...)

[rachakate]

FLR was great. Personally I can't wait to cheer 1126 on at the Einstein Field. They are really impressive.

My burned in memory is going to be the qualification match with 1126, 229, and 340 all lined up at the bottom of the ramp waiting for the offense signal. 40 sec of continuous firing. Maybe only 2/3rds stayed in, but it was a really cool sight. 109 points made it the highest score of the day.

I'm also sooo happy for my friend Jason Rees. He's the heart and soul of 340 and the reason I keep coming back. He's truly a remarkable person and completely deserving of the Woodie Flowers Award.

[Ashley Christine]

Originally Posted by Shu Song

What a great regional! Congratz to the regional winners 229, 1126 and 1567. Also congratz to the regional finalists 191, 250, and 211 for putting up an amazing show duing finals.

Also: thanks to 271 for choosing us and 1551 for being great alliance partners.

I don't mean to complain right now... But did anyone else notice anything unusual about the matchups during qualifications? From our end, it seemed like we got into a lot one side domination matches(where are side got dominated). It is highly probable we just got really unlucky. It would just make me feel a lot better if I got confirmation one way or another.

Unfortunately, this is the end of our season. We will try to make a few off-seasons. Thanks to everyone at FLR for making it great. Hope to see you all next year!

You mean 1511

[Shu Song]

Originally Posted by Ashley Christine

You mean 1511

lol... can't believe that for 2 days no one caught me on that. hehe. Sorry for the typo.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Shu Song

I don't mean to complain right now... But did anyone else notice anything unusual about the matchups during qualifications? From our end, it seemed like we got into a lot one side domination matches(where are side got dominated). It is highly probable we just got really unlucky. It would just make me feel a lot better if I got confirmation one way or another.

I'm still mad we never get to have the Xerox Trinity together in one match. Not even in the Ruckus!