Go to Post Teams whose goal is to play on Einstein think about strategy differently from teams whose goal is to be selected for an alliance at a district event. - alopex_rex [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > Electrical
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 05-02-2006, 15:12
psquared89's Avatar
psquared89 psquared89 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Pat Pannuto
FRC #0245 (Adambots)
Team Role: Driver
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
Posts: 73
psquared89 is a jewel in the roughpsquared89 is a jewel in the roughpsquared89 is a jewel in the roughpsquared89 is a jewel in the rough
Minimum Gauge Wire for Sensors?

I have searched and I could not find the answer to my question (though, frankly I'm surprised that I'm the first person to ask it...)

I was mounting/wiring the GTS sensor yesterday, and when it came to wiring it, a team member brought an interesting point to my attention. Our team had used an old junk PWM wire to make the temporary connections for testing purposes, but for the final wiring, do we need to use 18 guage wire? The rules state, "Any circuts protected by a 20 Amp breaker need to have at least 18 AWG wire". Do we need to use 18 gauge wire for the little sensors (which couldn't possibly draw more than 100 mA)? Or can we use PMW wire? The boards look like they were made for the PWM wire (the holes on the boards fit the PWM wire pins perfectly), and you can't fit 18 gauge wire through them (soldering, if we must).

If no one here knows the answer, could someone please post the question on the Q & A forum? Our teacher has not been able to log on and we could not post there.
__________________
At the end of the game, the King and the Pawn both go back into the same box.
~ Italian Proverb
---------------------------------
adambots.com
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 05-02-2006, 15:20
Pat Fairbank's Avatar
Pat Fairbank Pat Fairbank is offline
Circuit Breaker
FRC #0254 (The Cheesy Poofs)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 2,131
Pat Fairbank has a reputation beyond reputePat Fairbank has a reputation beyond reputePat Fairbank has a reputation beyond reputePat Fairbank has a reputation beyond reputePat Fairbank has a reputation beyond reputePat Fairbank has a reputation beyond reputePat Fairbank has a reputation beyond reputePat Fairbank has a reputation beyond reputePat Fairbank has a reputation beyond reputePat Fairbank has a reputation beyond reputePat Fairbank has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via MSN to Pat Fairbank
Re: Minimum Gauge Wire for Sensors?

Quote:
<R85> You must use 24 AWG or larger diameter wire for connecting sensors such as: switches, potentiometers,
accelerometers, and other sensors. You must use 24 AWG or larger diameter wire for connecting a Vision
System to Robot Controller inputs, and for extending the PWM cables, for the small muffin fans, or for
wiring LEDs. It is acceptable to use ribbon cable smaller than 24 AWG to connect to the 9 pin ports on the
Robot Controller.
According to rule R85 you can use wire as small as 24 AWG for sensors.
__________________
Patrick Fairbank
Team 254 | Mentor (2012-)
Team 1503 | Mentor (2007-2011)
Team 296 | Alumnus (2001-2004) | Mentor (2005-2006)

patfairbank.com
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 05-02-2006, 15:26
Unsung FIRST Hero
Al Skierkiewicz Al Skierkiewicz is offline
Broadcast Eng/Chief Robot Inspector
AKA: Big Al WFFA 2005
FRC #0111 (WildStang)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Wheeling, IL
Posts: 10,766
Al Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Minimum Gauge Wire for Sensors?

Pat,
You missed another resource that so many teams miss or just glance over and that is the "First Guidlines Tips and Practices." on the First website. From that document..."As seen in the figure above, two PWM cables are needed to interconnect the module. One cable is
used to supply 12Vdc from the sensor distribution circuit breaker. The other PWM cable connects to
an available digital input on the Robot controller to deliver the sensed pulse counts from the “S” port
and receive +5V from the RC unit. “G” is always the ground connection." Sensors that require 12 volts can be supplied from a common 20 amp fuse by tying all sensor power wires together and using the same 20 amp fuse output per <R91> You must protect the power feed to Custom Circuits and Additional
Electronics with a 20A Circuit Breaker.
__________________
Good Luck All. Learn something new, everyday!
Al
WB9UVJ
www.wildstang.org
________________________
Storming the Tower since 1996.
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Extending 6 Gauge Wire - Best Practices? Mr. Lim Electrical 7 01-02-2005 02:03
Why the smaller wire gauge? sanddrag Electrical 3 09-01-2005 11:53
10 gauge wire getting way hot dmellich Electrical 7 13-07-2004 10:03
Wire Gauge Question Neghman Electrical 1 14-02-2004 19:56
Line sensor wire gauge questions Dinush Electrical 6 13-02-2004 18:41


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:57.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi