Picking Teams in Elimination Rounds

[Starke]

I am watching the VCU Regional webcast and see the picking of teams for eliminations. I watch the teams pick teams from ranking #1-8. Then the team ranked 8th picks a second team. The picking then goes back wards from ranking #7-1.

My question is this. Does this system of picking actually give the higher ranked teams an advantage of picking better teams? Isn't that the whole concept of having rankings? I do not see how this system gives the higher ranked teams, but I could be wrong. Anyone with an explanation please post.

[Collin Fultz]

It does, in some sense, hurt the #1 seed. But, it was done to try to level the playing field. See this link, and the subsequent discussion.

[Rich Kressly]

It is different than in previous years, but there still is a distinct advantage having the top first round picks. This way there is an advantage to seeding higher, but not as large as it used to be.

[Alex Cormier]

I also have noticed that not many teams in the lower ranks have been prepared. like rank 7 and on.

[Tomasz Bania]

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier

I also have noticed that not many teams in the lower ranks have been prepared. like rank 7 and on.

The fact that #7 or 8 had a team on their mind that didn't exist was a Little embarrassing for that team but there is alot of thought that needs to be put into alliance selection. I found out (trying to track who picked who) that it is an unbelievably confusing process and I don't wonder why their are conflicts of interest sometimes.

[Adam Richards]

Originally Posted by micro3000x

The fact that #7 or 8 had a team on their mind that didn't exist was a Little embarrassing for that team but there is alot of thought that needs to be put into alliance selection. I found out (trying to track who picked who) that it is an unbelievably confusing process and I don't wonder why their are conflicts of interest sometimes.

When the 8th alliance picked 1910, and then 1908, I'm not totally sure they knew who they were picking. 1910 didn't exist at that regional, and 1908 was in 50th place. Team 1907 was in 10th place and remained unpicked throughout alliance selection.

[Tomasz Bania]

Originally Posted by Adam Richards

When the 8th alliance picked 1910, and then 1908, I'm not totally sure they knew who they were picking. 1910 didn't exist at that regional, and 1908 was in 50th place. Team 1907 was in 10th place and remained unpicked throughout alliance selection.

Thats the brutal truth.

Tomasz Bania

[Zoheb N]

i admit there are some advantages and disadvantages to this system. the advantage is that it makes the elimination rounds more action packed but it makes it seem that being higher ranked does not have all the advantages it use to.

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by Zoheb N

it makes it seem that being higher ranked does not have all the advantages it use to.

That was definitely apparent in the VCU Regional, with the finalists being the 4th and 6th Ranked Alliances, with the 6th being the Champions

[BrianR]

Originally Posted by Zoheb N

i admit there are some advantages and disadvantages to this system. the advantage is that it makes the elimination rounds more action packed but it makes it seem that being higher ranked does not have all the advantages it use to.

I agree, but still, having the first and second teams should still be better than most others. And in the case of VCU, as someone pointed out earlier, 1907, the 10th seeded team went unpicked, so I think that there may have been a few better draft choices, which would have influenced the results.

Overall, this should be a warning to top seeded teams. You have to take a hard look at those teams who are left, and don't assume that a team is gone just because they are ranked well.

[Stuart]

ok although I have only been to 2 regionals (midwest/lonestar in 2004) I can say that unless your in the top 8 your only as good as other people think you are. what I mean by this is you can be high in the seedings but if other people arnt looking at you it doesnt mater. bottem line get people to look at you and remember your number(watch LSR this year and youll see a great way to get your number out there ;P )

[Kim Masi]

At the Granite Sate regional in New Hampshire today, there were a lot of lower seeded matches upsetting the higher seeds. The number 1, 3 and 4th place alliances were eliminated in the quarterfinals, and the number 2 alliance was eliminated in the semifinals. However, I'm not sure this has to do with the new way of selecting alliances, it is still interesting to see how everything is evenly matched.

[Kim Masi]

Originally Posted by Stuart

you can be high in the seedings but if other people arnt looking at you it doesnt mater. bottem line get people to look at you and remember your number(watch LSR this year and youll see a great way to get your number out there ;P )

I agree completely. Last year in Philly, our team was seeded in the 15-20 range, and we were not picked to be on an alliance. We only had about 15 kids at the regional, so our team presence was small and it was hard to put our team number out there . (although we won the regional the year before.)

There were also some high seeded teams at the NH regional today who were not picked too...

[Tim Delles]

Yes a great example of the would be VCU. toward the end of the first round teams repeatedly picked teams who weren't at the competition or who were already picked. All of that would be solved if they would pay attention and cross out those that have already been picked.