2006 Penalties

[Adam Shapiro]

Originally Posted by Cody C

A cable tie... You mind pointing out where a cable tie was placed on our robot so that it could possibly go into the goal? Because I don't see any.

You're taking this way too far. The fact of the matter is two separate people saw the incursion. It is a quick thing to decide and both concluded the same. The penalty disqualified you that match and that is unfortunate, but it happens. Just let it be a lesson for next year: instead of designing such that you avoid a penalty by half an inch, design so you will avoid it by three or four inches. It's just too hard to argue something like that, especially under such a tight time constraint; it's on you to plan for such things in advance.

[Cody Carey]

I am taking this too far, and whats done is done... but I don't appreciate being told that I am wrong when I have concrete evidence showing that it is impossible... no zip-tie, you can see in the pic that there are not 3 inches to intrude with, and to their two oppinions, I have the other teams drive-team as well as our own. I have shown that our incursion into the center goal is impossible, and when I did, I am just met with "I don't care if it is impossible, you did it."

As anybody can see, the call that was made was unfair, and I am not blaming anybody or anything but the pressure that is put on the refs to make split-second decisions... and that cannot be changed. In answer to the thread... It is made obvious that all the calls that are made are DEFINATELY NOT correct.

[Adam Shapiro]

Originally Posted by Cody C

I am taking this too far, and whats done is done... but I don't appreciate being told that I am wrong when I have concrete evidence showing that it is impossible... no zip-tie, you can see in the pic that there are not 3 inches to intrude with, and to their two oppinions, I have the other teams drive-team as well as our own. I have shown that our incursion into the center goal is impossible, and when I did, I am just met with "I don't care if it is impossible, you did it."

I can see there isn't much of a way to change your opinion, but I'd just like to point out that a photo of your robot in the pit is hardly evidence. First, it could have been taken either before or after the zip tie was added or removed respecively. Second, there is no way to judge the length of the front of your robot from that photo unless you had a ruler or another object placed next to the robot to compare with. Again, it is unfortunate that you got disqualified for this penalty, and it is additionally unfortunate that the driving teams were in agreement, but the call was at the discretion of the refs and they decided against you. End of story.

[Cody Carey]

You're right

The refs make perfect decisions all of the time

There is no possible way we could have been right...

There definitely was a zip-tie... the robot obviously exceeds the three inch limit, and solid steel can, in fact be bent and re-bent in the same match... The driver of the opposing team was obviously not paying attention to the goal at that time, neither was the coach to see how many points we scored. Two opinions are always better that five, and zip ties not spontaneously generate.

I don't know why I couldn't see it until the argument was over, I mean, I DEFINITELY, all by my self escalated this thread to the point it was at.

You, Adam Shapiro are ALWAYS right, and in future threads, I know not to dispute everybody elses' absolute knowledge

I am sorry... please accept my humblest apologies.


Cody C.
--Team 306 Captain/Driver

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Cody C

A cable tie... You mind pointing out where a cable tie was placed on our robot so that it could possibly go into the goal? Because I don't see any.

If you wanted to clarify the call on the field, you should have sent a student member of your drive team to the head ref at the time of the incident.

There is no point in dragging out this specific incident even more by continuing to argue that you were in the right. What's done is done, and no amount of griping about it is going to change what happened.

[Cody Carey]

Originally Posted by Cory

If you wanted to clarify the call on the field, you should have sent a student member of your drive team to the head ref at the time of the incident.

There is no point in dragging out this specific incident even more by continuing to argue that you were in the right. What's done is done, and no amount of griping about it is going to change what happened.

We did, they wouldn't listen. anyways. I'm done... no more arguing

[Dan Petrovic]

I put "Yes, but a few could be changed", but I believe they are all fine.

These are the rules we agree with at the beginning of the season and none of them are irrational.

Be careful. That's all you have to do. These penalties make sense.

The rules are fine, but some refs can be hard and some can be real easy on the teams.