2006 Penalties

[Steve S.]

What penalties have you seen happen and how many points have they lost?

for me at FLR Ive seen 2 DQs. Both for a robot entering the side goal and both were during final matches. I also saw quite a few backbot penalties. from 5-20 points a match lost and i saw some ramming penalties.

And a Match had to be Replayed. It was Match 15 of Friday which was replayed on saturday because of field problems.

[Melissa Nute]

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[Steve S.]

Originally Posted by Meli W.

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thats from 2 years ago!!!

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by team1591

What penalties have you seen happen and how many points have they lost?

for me at FLR Ive seen 2 DQs. Both for a robot entering the side goal and both were during final matches. I also saw quite a few backbot penalties. from 5-20 points a match lost and i saw some ramming penalties.

The backbot offside penalties make no sense. All it takes is simple communication between the teams to tell one of them to stay back and not cross the line. As simple as following the rules and there were teams that just plain had issue with doing that.

[Jack Jones]

We (1213) suggested that two bots head for on-side. The designated one, and an alternate just in case. One penality point per second makes it worth the fail-safe delay.

[pwilczynski]

One penalty that I saw (it was called on our team) was ramming in autonomous mode. During the semis,
wWe set our auto-mode to go at about 85% speed across the field to try and stop a robot from dumping into the corner goal, like we had been doing all day. However, instead of getting in front of the robot, we smashed into them and received a 5 point penalty, making the score of the match 32-34, with our allience losing on the penalty.

This penalty could have been avoided by putting bumpers on the front of our robot, for anyone who wishes to avoid it,

[Bill_Hancoc]

We had the same one called on us, we had been doing it all day and then we did it and we got the 5 point point penality. We didnt have bumpers on the front of our robot but we asked if we could do it in reverse (where we have a bumper) and it was still illegal the only difference was that we won the match even with the penality.

[The Donger]

That's an interesting penalty. There was plenty of ramming into our robot in the semi-finals and other people rammed other robots in the Finals. There wasn't a single penalty called. Hmmm...

[Donut]

Those ramming penalties might depend on how fast your robot moves, and whether the judges deem there was enough force to cause harm to the other robot.

In the semis, our alliance received a 5 point pinning penalty during the first match. 330 asked the refs who it was against, and they said against them for pinning against the base of the ramp. I didn't know the base of the ramp counts as a wall you can pin other robots against, and that the 10 second rule applies there.

[Jessica279]

Our team, sincerely, got screwed in our first match. match 10.

Any of you who went to Great Lakes Regional and played in matches 1-11 know about the problems. Apparently, the computers went down. The referees had to make ALL the calls and count all the balls, manually.

I suppose, yes, we should cut them some slack since it wasn't their fault.

But in our match, we got 3 penaltys for something we never did. We were the backbot and they said we crossed the line, not once, not twice, but THREE times. We have a video, folks, and our robot NEVER crossed the line.

We tried to talk to the refs about it, but they weren't trying to hear it.
The next day we learned about the computer problems. They told us that all the matches that weren't scored properly were fixed and those that truly won, won.

But then, later on in the day, we hear that in order for that to be true, you had to have ONE rep from each team in the match go up and talk to the refs. If only one rep decides that they don't want to be gracious and say no to agreeing with the win change, then the ref turned his back and walked away.

I'm not sure who it was that said no. I wasn't the rep from our team. As HP, I just throw balls. But I know that whoever that team rep was, they need to think about the spirit of FIRST. It's about gracious professionalism. I hope they wouldn't think that that would make their grandmother proud. Not at all.

Had this happened to any other teams out there?

[Jack Jones]

Originally Posted by Jessica279

Our team, sincerely, got screwed in our first match. match 10.

Any of you who went to Great Lakes Regional and played in matches 1-11 know about the problems. Apparently, the computers went down. The referees had to make ALL the calls and count all the balls, manually.

I suppose, yes, we should cut them some slack since it wasn't their fault.

But in our match, we got 3 penaltys for something we never did. We were the backbot and they said we crossed the line, not once, not twice, but THREE times. We have a video, folks, and our robot NEVER crossed the line.

We tried to talk to the refs about it, but they weren't trying to hear it.
The next day we learned about the computer problems. They told us that all the matches that weren't scored properly were fixed and those that truly won, won.

But then, later on in the day, we hear that in order for that to be true, you had to have ONE rep from each team in the match go up and talk to the refs. If only one rep decides that they don't want to be gracious and say no to agreeing with the win change, then the ref turned his back and walked away.

I'm not sure who it was that said no. I wasn't the rep from our team. As HP, I just throw balls. But I know that whoever that team rep was, they need to think about the spirit of FIRST. It's about gracious professionalism. I hope they wouldn't think that that would make their grandmother proud. Not at all.

Had this happened to any other teams out there?

To the best of our knowledge, what you mention never happened, at least not the way you put it.

THE FACTS:
It was matches 4 - 11 that were in question because the head referee may have transposed the scores on the sheets he handed to the scorekeeper. For that reason, and that reason alone, they invited the six teams involved to graciously sort it out.

If you went there wishing to get un-screwed on a judgment call, then I'm as sure as I am glad they sent you packing.

[Jessica279]

The reason I put 1-11, was because the computers were messing up in matches 1 + 2, went out in/during match number 2, and was therefore out in number 3 as well.

And i'm unsure as to what you are saying never happened.
The offside penalties..or..?

[114gopher]

There were a few offsides calls, but that was really about it. What really surprised me was the lack of ramming penalties. In the 2nd match of the finals, we fell, and kept getting hit repeatedly. We had two broken welds, our electronics box was sheared from its bolts in one corner, and our main breaker switch was in two pieces. It wasn't even mounted near where we were getting hit. For the last match of the finals, our back corner of the frame was held together with zip ties. I understand that it was supposed to be a rough game, but I didn't think it was supposed to be this rough. Personally, I think ramming should be called a little more often.

[yodameister]

Originally Posted by The Donger

That's an interesting penalty. There was plenty of ramming into our robot in the semi-finals and other people rammed other robots in the Finals. There wasn't a single penalty called. Hmmm...

I would agree. There was LOTS of ramming during the first 10 seconds, at full speed by the way. Not one ramming penalty that I saw. One of our team mates was even rammed while he was tipped over and a penalty wasn't called.

[Chris27]

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or if you dont feel like reading all of it. We got screwed on penalties too, or lack of.

At St. Louis they were big on offsides penalties but other then that they let everything go.