Highest seeded team not picked for finals

[sanddrag]

Who were the highest seeded teams not picked for finals at your event(s) and why?

[Bill_Hancoc]

We were 15th and were not picked for some reason. I dont know if this was the case or not but just something i noticed. When they were picking the alliences the pool of teams we were not in the 15th spot on the list. to me it appeared to be in order of rank since the approx 9-12 teams were on the top and it was moving twards the top. Maybe it was done by team number im not sure but that is one of the things i think was wrong

[JamesBrown]

assuming it was the same as boston the team pool was arranged by team number, from lowest to highest.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Originally Posted by Bill_Hancoc

We were 15th and were not picked for some reason. I dont know if this was the case or not but just something i noticed. When they were picking the alliences the pool of teams we were not in the 15th spot on the list. to me it appeared to be in order of rank since the approx 9-12 teams were on the top and it was moving twards the top. Maybe it was done by team number im not sure but that is one of the things i think was wrong

How were you ranked at the end of Friday? There has been occasions where our team has been ranked #1 or #2 for most of the event, then dropped to 9th or 10th in the last 2 rounds. We have not been picked when this happens because most other teams in the top 8 make their alliance pairing lists on Friday night, and do not include teams ranked above them.

[Travis Hoffman]

We were 16th out of 63 at New Jersey and weren't picked. We were 2-3 heading into Saturday before winning our last three matches.

There isn't a lot of time to modify your pick lists following the close of matches on Saturday, so I think it's tough for scout teams to integrate their observations of Saturday's events into the pick lists they formulated the night before.

[Steve W]

Originally Posted by T. Hoffman

We were 16th out of 63 at New Jersey and weren't picked. We were 2-3 heading into Saturday before winning our last three matches.

There isn't a lot of time to modify your pick lists following the close of matches on Saturday, so I think it's tough for scout teams to integrate their observations of Saturday's events into the pick lists they formulated the night before.

And this is the reason that I believe that FIRST should give 1/2 hour between match endings and Alliance selections. I know teams want to do strategy but they also should have all new data from Saturday before finalizing their lists.

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Team 648 make's their list at the end of qualifying on Saturday. In the past it's been formed by my strict opinion on the robots but not this year b/c I don't get to watch all the matches being coach. It's worked out pretty well in the past. I use multiple factors when creating the list.

Anyways... I think the lowest team not picked was 1850 at MWR... not sure where they were ranked but they ended up being a backup for Team 1's broken bot in the Semi's.

[the_short1]

Originally Posted by Steve W

And this is the reason that I believe that FIRST should give 1/2 hour between match endings and Alliance selections. I know teams want to do strategy but they also should have all new data from Saturday before finalizing their lists.

that really never dawned on me.. and i was a scout last year, and now that i remember it was hectic the last few minutes getting the scoutting list made running back and forth getting updated information from certain teams (broken etc), i second that idea of extending time before alliance pickings.

i was wondering why certain teams were not picked but not tabulating possibly 3 wins on a saturday would definately be the cause.. . cool i learned something today

[Bill_Hancoc]

Ill vote for more scouting time sice after reading this seems to clea up a lot of confusion. At the end of Friday we were NOT ranked very good since they crossed up the score of our firs match and gave us our opponets 0 when we had actually had 14 and they didnt change that until saturday.

[nuggetsyl]

Originally Posted by T. Hoffman

We were 16th out of 63 at New Jersey and weren't picked. We were 2-3 heading into Saturday before winning our last three matches.

There isn't a lot of time to modify your pick lists following the close of matches on Saturday, so I think it's tough for scout teams to integrate their observations of Saturday's events into the pick lists they formulated the night before.

you guys were 4 th on our picking list we can not understand why you were not chosen. it was robo wizards ,1297,1403,48

shaun

[TimCraig]

While this is an interesting statistic, rank isn't necessarily a very good criteria to use when picking an alliance partner. After the first half of the first round of picks where the top four or five seeded teams are glad handing each other, most picks will come from the middle of the pack. There the rankings much more reflect alliance performance than individual robot performance. It's important for the scouts to evaluate each robot for its individual strengths and weaknesses.

[AJL930]

I agree with the fact that there needs to be more time for scouting. At wisconsin regional, several times during the alliance selection the teams had to pause and talk with other teammates on who to pick. There was even a time when teams seemed to pick just randomly. If it is true that teams are picking on just Rankings, they yes more time is needed to decide, at least give them 15-20 minutes.

[Al Skierkiewicz]

In many games of the past, it was almost a sure bet to pick from the highest ranked teams. This game however, needs a more prudent choice in robot function. Survivability, ability to drive away from defenders, the need to defend well and the ability to score more than other robots all rank high on strategy. If an alliance already has two good scoring robots but neither can defend well, a defender is sure to be picked. If you were a high scorer in this situation, most teams would pass over you in favor of picking a good defender robot even if that team was ranked dead last.
As many experienced people will tell you...given two similar robots, the one that drives better (practiced drive team) will be chosen. To reiterate by using an old joke...Do you know how to get to Carnegie Hall? Practice, practice, practice!

[Tyler Olds]

Originally Posted by AJL930

I agree with the fact that there needs to be more time for scouting. At wisconsin regional, several times during the alliance selection the teams had to pause and talk with other teammates on who to pick. There was even a time when teams seemed to pick just randomly. If it is true that teams are picking on just Rankings, they yes more time is needed to decide, at least give them 15-20 minutes.

I don't think that the amount of time we give teams (especially rookies) will really help. We just need to remind them more the importance of having a list created.
At some regionals including the Wisconsin regional, there was the STAMP program available to all teams, so if you really did not want to do your own scouting, you did not have to. This was made available to all teams and all teams were told several times about it.

FYI this is why it's important to listen to announcements from the pits and field reminding you to form a list.

[1493kd]

We were 16th or 17th at UTC, and did not get selected.. I think it is b/c we did so bad on fri and many teams may have already selected their choices.

We also had bad luck with teammates in qualifying as we had 2 games with partners missing or none at all...