ball counter

[savage]

wow this thred got out of hand
good job to all team at there regionals

the score i was talking about was not an in game score it was during testing we found this out that the scoring system will go up to 24,441. this happend because of a missed placed light and that caused the camera on the counter to start counting off.


Ben white

[Master Dictator]

Originally Posted by Jherbie53

The counters are nice for seeing real time scoring. At West Michigan they are using the counters, but are giving a final score from human counting. This is a really good idea and it works. There are not enough balls to confuse a person counting, Be it the 3pt or 1pt goals. I wish that they will come up with a better real time scoring in the future.

I have to tell you this is a horrible way to go. I am not complaining but I feel that it is too hard for judges to count so fast. I am with team 528 and at the Philly Regional twice it happened once in finals that the judges were way off.

One match we played our allinace scored 93 points because we had 2 dumpers and 1 shooter. Us and another team, I think 303 were putting in 30 at a time. The counter say 94 and the judges amitted that the balls were coming in so fast they could not count so they made a number up.. happened to be 20 since the 2 corner bots were both empty. We lost by 10 then and since there are no replays they still watched the video and found out we really did score 93 but did not change anything. Oh well. History is history can't change it.

But on this note I feel it really is too hard for judges to count the balls comming in

[Ashley Christine]

I was a counter on a corner at GTR, it takes a lot of attention, and not just anyone can do it in my opinion, and yes, the hand counters go up to 9999.

[Jack Jones]

Originally Posted by Master Dictator

I have to tell you this is a horrible way to go. I am not complaining but I feel that it is too hard for judges to count so fast. I am with team 528 and at the Philly Regional twice it happened once in finals that the judges were way off.

One match we played our allinace scored 93 points because we had 2 dumpers and 1 shooter. Us and another team, I think 303 were putting in 30 at a time. The counter say 94 and the judges amitted that the balls were coming in so fast they could not count so they made a number up.. happened to be 20 since the 2 corner bots were both empty. We lost by 10 then and since there are no replays they still watched the video and found out we really did score 93 but did not change anything. Oh well. History is history can't change it.

But on this note I feel it really is too hard for judges to count the balls comming in

So, you watched a video and were able to count every ball that went in, but the six people who were a few feet away were not.

You think the other team was #303, but you know you were putting in 30 at a time.

The counter say -- Which counter? -- If you mean the RTS on the big screen, then I've seen it show impossible numbers!

What are we to believe? The RTS, the human counters, or innuendo and hearsay?

My son and I volunteered at GLR, MWR, Milwaukee, and LVR. He was scorekeeper and I was a referee. We agree that it was hard for the human counters to count every ball. We are pretty sure mistakes were made - people make mistakes. However, those mistakes were minor compared to the ones the RTS was making over and over again.

At MRW we had trainees and their instructors from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center counting balls. I will guarantee that they were 99.44 percent accurate - or better. I've been on many visual perception field tests where both GIs and civilians had to spot "items of interest." The GI's measured performance was astounding, but not surprising since they're trained to know that their buddies lives depend on them.

At the regionals we refs closely monitored the human counters. Every time there was a situation, such as a shot after the light went out, or while the light was out, or mass quantities went in, I went to them to see if they got it right. Only once was one of them mistaken; and that was on a bounce out from the center goal that got counted, which we corrected.

We took statistics at all four regionals, which showed that the RTS and human count disagreed as to both the autonomous and overall winner anywhere from 1/4 to 1/3 of the time. At the same time we saw scores from the RTS in the hundreds and thousands (RED - 31,831 in Las Vegas). So, while we agree that it's hard for the humans to do an accurate count, it was impossible for the RTS as designed and implemented.

History is not necessarily "history." It depends on who's telling the story.

[The Lucas]

Originally Posted by Master Dictator

I have to tell you this is a horrible way to go. I am not complaining but I feel that it is too hard for judges to count so fast. I am with team 528 and at the Philly Regional twice it happened once in finals that the judges were way off.

One match we played our allinace scored 93 points because we had 2 dumpers and 1 shooter. Us and another team, I think 303 were putting in 30 at a time. The counter say 94 and the judges amitted that the balls were coming in so fast they could not count so they made a number up.. happened to be 20 since the 2 corner bots were both empty. We lost by 10 then and since there are no replays they still watched the video and found out we really did score 93 but did not change anything. Oh well. History is history can't change it.

But on this note I feel it really is too hard for judges to count the balls comming in

What match are you talking about? 303 was not at Philly. The only bot at Philly that dumped about 30 balls at once was Chuck (84) and you never played with him. Your high score was 57, which is not even close to 93. You never lost a match by exactly 10 pts.

It is difficult for the refs to do a hand count and they do make mistakes. However, these mistakes aren't as bad as you describe

[jerry w]

as a scorekeeper at the Orlando regional I observed the miscount in the lower goals.
90% of the time the errors were caused by a robot slamming into the wall. This causes the camera-counter to move. False counts are then generated. Thus your team should be willing to accept the human-generated counts if your robot causes the computer counts to fail.
We hand counted all the Orlando matches. Only one match outcome was different between the hand-count and computer-count. in that match, the head referee made the scoring decision.

My advice to the drivers, avoid hitting the wall when putting balls in the lower goal. I know that the goal is more than 52 feet from where you stand. but, your team has the ability to provide high power-levels to the wheels. They should also be good enough to put a range sensor on the robot, to tell you how close you are to the wall.


jerry w

[savage]

well those were some good guesses but none of you came any were close

this is were it finaly toped at 24,441 we were amazed at this even the guys from ifi and first couldn't beleive it.
this is for real