The Niagara Triplets the best team(s) in 2006?

[Dylan Gramlich]

they are most definitly the best Alliance
but i do believe there are terams better then them. And think about it they only hav to come up with on robot design for 3 teams!! not saying that makes them worse or anything but it is just easier
also do they have something that holds them in place because at GTR they were getting pushed by 2 robots and were not moving an inch??

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by Dylan Gramlich

...also do they have something that holds them in place because at GTR they were getting pushed by 2 robots and were not moving an inch??

Special magic glue called "PID".

[RebelWithARobot]

Originally Posted by Starke340

so, as individual robots they are very good, and partnered together they are nearly unstoppable.

other thoughts?

not NEARLY unstoppable. They are, so far, unstoppable.

But i think much of this is because people are trying the traditional method of defense on them, wait til they get close to the goal and try to push them.

I noticed that in the Elims at waterloo, 1114, 1503, and 1281 were ALMOST stopped, by some alliance i dont remember but they put their 2 strongest bots in front of the ramp and kept the zone clear.

Since then I don't think anyone has done it.

I think 71 and another really good shoter(25, 111) plus a real good defensive bot could beat them.

[nick bourdon]

Originally Posted by RebelWithARobot

I noticed that in the Elims at waterloo, 1114, 1503, and 1281 were ALMOST stopped, by some alliance i dont remember but they put their 2 strongest bots in front of the ramp and kept the zone clear.

I was a ref at Waterloo, so I got to see all the action up close. After what was probably their closest match, I aksed a member of 1114 why they didn't crush their opponents. Apparently, 1503 accidentally put in a dead battery, and 1114 fried a victor (or maybe a spike??) for part of the shooting mechanism. They quickly fixed the problem and dominated in the next match.

[Mr.G]

According to what teams are currently registered for Nationals the Triplets will all be in different divisions.

This will tell how good they really are. If they each win a division that will really make things interesting.

I think they are the best and if all three make it to the Einstein I wouldn't be surprised.

Right now 1503 is teamed with 25 on the same field.

[Vince lau]

I believe that was the first match of the finals against 188, 610, and 771. The final score was like 40 to 29. 1114 pushed 1503 up the ramp and got on themselves to win the match.

[KenWittlief]

Originally Posted by Greg Perkins

With a triplet alliance such as the Niagara three's say one team goes out and gets #1 seed, another one of the bots is a sleeper somewhere in the top 20...

for any team to intentionally throw their matches so they end up low in the rankings would be unprofessional and incredibly poor sportsmanship

esp since they would be pulling down the other two alliance partners in each match.

Once teams caught on to what was going on they would be boo'd and taunted until my voice gave out! :^)

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Conor Ryan

Triplets are one of the best, however, 25 is better and undefeated for good reasons.

It's a quick loader, HP loading is working a lot better than anyone ever expected, it holds a good amount of balls 20 or so?

From what I've seen, it sort of takes them a long time to load, and they really only hold more like 13 balls. Only being able to human load is sort of risky, once you face a smart defensive robot who either 1) blocks 25 in the corner, or 2) doesn't let them over to the HP to start with.

Originally Posted by Conor Ryan

Nobody has shut them down at all, there are strategies you can use against them, but nobody can find the right combo.

I think 25 is really good, but to date in the limited number of matches I've seen webcasted, I haven't seen a single team play smart defense on them. Most teams try to push them from the side or the rear. Not gonna work. You need to get in front of their turrett. Pretty much everyone they've faced has been perfectly content to let 25 make their way to the HP unimpeded, and once they're there, they let them take all the time they want to load.

Once I see 25 play some of the elite defensive robots that have defended shooters like the triplets, and they still dominate, I'll put 25 above everyone else.

Originally Posted by KenWittlief

for any team to intentionally throw their matches so they end up low in the rankings would be unprofessional and incredibly poor sportsmanship

Once teams caught on to what was going on they would be boo'd and taunted until my voice gave out! :^)

Who said that they would be throwing their matches? If one robot is #1, it doesn't much matter where the other robot is--the other has the first pick. Besides. It's entirely plausible that one of the teams could hit a streak of bad luck or have mechanical problems, and end up out of the top 8.

[Ianworld]

People who discount team 25 for playing at so called easy regionals I don't think understand how dominate they have been at their regionals. First NJ is no slouch of a regional. It was 69 teams, many of which are very competitive. When I came to 25 it was clear that no matter what happened 25 was going to win. Even more so than the triplets there is an air of inevitability about their ability to score.

To say teams didn't play good defense against them isn't completely accurate. They are strong, really strong. Their drive seems to be slippery in that they can be easily pushed, but very strong in that I never saw them ever get slowed by a robot when they drove head on. They pushed 522 a very strong tank treaded robot straight backward up the opposing ramp.

People also made the comment that all you had to do was get in front of their shooter to block them. That sounds really simple and I for one kept wondering why teams didn't just sit in front but then I realized that they're trying. 25 just pushes them into the ramp, drives up the ramp, or maybe just twists somewhat and they always get an open shot. Its just inevitable. Robots would try to square them off into a corner when they human loaded but I doubt any team will be strong enough to stop them from getting out and making their shots. Their turret is just so good that they only need a moment to get a hail of shots off and no team is going to be able to play that strong a defensive game against them for the whole match let alone even twenty seconds.

So yes they're good. Better than a triplet arguably. I'd really like to see if they could push a triplet, that would be the deciding difference. If a triplet could square them into a corner and they couldn't get out that would be the end of 25. But for now nobody has managed to even get close to stopping their drive train.

[Don Wright]

Are there any videos of 25 in action?

Unfortunately, I can't search for 25 on CD because you need three letters or numbers for it to be searchable. FRC0025 and FRC25 turned up nothing...

Thanks.

[Ricky Q.]

Originally Posted by Don Wright

Are there any videos of 25 in action?

Unfortunately, I can't search for 25 on CD because you need three letters or numbers for it to be searchable. FRC0025 and FRC25 turned up nothing...

Thanks.

This thread has links to video of 25 http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...t=25%2A+videos

And a friendly tip, if you need to search for something under 3 characters, use the * after it (ex: 25* videos).

[hoorayforpink]

the triplets are amazing.....the ataunomous mode is just plain scary

[pakrat]

You can stop the triplets auto mode, I saw Swat or 610 do it at waterloo.

Also, even though the triplets have good machines, I think it is disresectful to so many other teams to say that the triplets are the best. I guess this concern might and only might be valid if there werent alliances, but its 3v3, so one robot doesnt make or break any one match. Having a great shooter, or a robot that can really take care of whatever the game task is will help, but 3 bad machines can beat 3 bad machines any day if you have good strategies, and especially a little bit of luck. I wish the triplets the best of luck and congratulate them on 6 regional wins overall this season, but i think that it doesnt matter if they're the best. When you're on the field, you're trying to beat whoever you're against in almost every situation i can think of and declaring a robot the best is obsolete in a 6-robot game.

[slickguy2007]

Originally Posted by Cory

From what I've seen, it sort of takes them a long time to load, and they really only hold more like 13 balls. Only being able to human load is sort of risky, once you face a smart defensive robot who either 1) blocks 25 in the corner, or 2) doesn't let them over to the HP to start with.



I think 25 is really good, but to date in the limited number of matches I've seen webcasted, I haven't seen a single team play smart defense on them. Most teams try to push them from the side or the rear. Not gonna work. You need to get in front of their turrett. Pretty much everyone they've faced has been perfectly content to let 25 make their way to the HP unimpeded, and once they're there, they let them take all the time they want to load.

Once I see 25 play some of the elite defensive robots that have defended shooters like the triplets, and they still dominate, I'll put 25 above everyone else.

Its hard to play defense on 25 while they are loading. The reason being that they have brakes. It is near impossible to push them. I am pretty sure that they turn on their brakes while they are loading and while they are in position to shoot. The only real way to stop them is to prevent them from winning autonomous and then out scoring them. Otherwise, it really comes down to luck. 25 plays a very smart game and I know that their coach is very clever. They aren't 31 wins and 0 losses for no reason.

I realized at NJ that they had a solid strategy and I tried to break it. We came incredibly close to beating them. I still remember after the match I was standing next to Shaun (25's coach) and we were both biting our nails because it was very close. We won autonomous and played very effective defense on them, but in the end 25 won. I would definitely keep an eye on them in Atlanta, don't be surprised if they make it onto the Einstein field.

As for 25 vs. any of the triplets, it is hard to say. Both teams are strong and in this case I really think it would come down to who their allies were. Both of these teams play smart on the field and I'd assume that they would both do a lot of research into each other. That truely would be an interesting match up, one that I will be watching out for in Atlanta .

GO 1403!!!

[Starke]

Originally Posted by slickguy2007

Its hard to play defense on 25 while they are loading. The reason being that they have brakes. It is near impossible to push them. I am pretty sure that they turn on their brakes while they are loading and while they are in position to shoot.

this brings up something else that i noticed with the triplets and 25. while being human loaded, an opposing robot sometimes parked behind them, preventing them from getting out of the corners of the field. this gave all of these teams problems getting out to get to the other side of the field to score. however, all of the four teams were able to push their way out. so this slowed them down, but only for a second or two.