What would a FIRST Triple Crown be?

[firstrocks06]

Championship Chairmans, Championship WFA and Championship Winner

[rufu5]

Originally Posted by RogerR

event-wise, i think it would be one regional, championships (of course) and an off-season. so for roger's triple crown, you'd have to win the GTR, championship, and IRI.

In the horse racing sense I agree. It should be:

One of the toughest regionals
Championship
IRI (The toughest event of the year )

In one year, thats the key. As students graduate and stuff changes etc, extend the "Triple Crown" over an entire team's history doesn't do the award justice. Like was said before, its so hard to get the baseball triple crown because you have to do it all in one season.

[Gary Dillard]

Originally Posted by pathew100

I think HOT Team nailed it with a Regional Chairman's, Championship Win and Championship Chairman's all in the same year! I doubt if this will happen again in FIRST for a long time.

Since you have to win a Regional Chairman's in order to win the Championship Chairman's, that's not really a "triple" crown, because Championship Chairman's would automatically give you 2 legs of the 3.

I would say Chairman's, Championship, and any other "unrelated" award such as animation, website, etc. to show all-around domination.

However, I still agree that "HOT team nailed it". Awesome

[Bill Moore]

Originally Posted by pathew100

I think HOT Team nailed it with a Regional Chairman's, Championship Win and Championship Chairman's all in the same year! I doubt if this will happen again in FIRST for a long time.

You aren't making it a "true" Triple Crown with this selection. Since the entry requirement to win the Championship Chairman's is first winning a Regional Chairman's award, you actually make it easier to accomplish this feat.

In baseball, although Batting average, RBI's and Home Runs have a tendency to trend in the same direction, it is very common for three separate individuals to lead these categories each year. You eliminate this "separateness" when you recognize the Chairman's CA winner for their Regional win as well. (It would be like tossing Home Run's out and recognizing someone for hitting .300+ average and recognizing them again for the batting average title.)

[irishninja]

I would still argue that WFA is a mentor achievment AND a team achievement. The team wrote the essay, and it just seems to click with regional winner and chairmans award winner. Has any team yet been able to win all three of these in the SAME year? I know my team has done it over the course of three years, but if no one has done it yet, i think its pretty hard.

If you wanted to call it a Golden Crown, then you could include Website, Autodesk, and 1st seed, along with regional winner, chairmans, and WFA.

The champion Golden Crown would be all of this on the championship level.

[Billfred]

Originally Posted by irishninja

I would still argue that WFA is a mentor achievment AND a team achievement. The team wrote the essay, and it just seems to click with regional winner and chairmans award winner. Has any team yet been able to win all three of these in the SAME year? I know my team has done it over the course of three years, but if no one has done it yet, i think its pretty hard.

Nobody's done it on the Championship level (HOT's come the closest thus far, with the WFA win coming about three years before their Chairman's and Championship run), but I know 25 did it at NJ this year. (Champion, Chairman's, WFA, #1 seed, undefeated. Not bad, eh?)

[Corey Balint]

Triple Crown at a regional; WFFA, Chairmans, Champions.
Championship event; WFA, Chairmans, Champions.

[Taylor]

I would argue, if we are in the true spirit of FIRST, and we've been doing the homework, the triple crown would be this:
Regional Champ
Chairman's Award
Rookie All-Star by mentored team

[David Brinza]

What about the following combination of team awards for "Triple Crown":

Championship
Chairman's Award
Engineering Inspiration Award

The WFA is really an individual award, although winning it is clearly a team accomplishment.

I don't know if Chairman's and Engineering Inspiration are mutually exclusive awards at a given event, but according to FIRST's documentation, they are the highest and second highest awards that can be bestowed on a team.

[dez250]

Originally Posted by pathew100

Also Woodie Flowers is more of an individual award and I wanted to focus on team awards.

Whats the WFA without the recipients team?

1997: Liz Calef, FRC 88
1998: Michael Bastoni, PNTA
1999:Ken Patton, FRC 65
2000: Kyle Hughes, FRC 27
2001: Bill Beatty, FRC 71
2002: Dave Verbrugge, FRC 67
2003: Andy Baker, FRC 45
2004: David Kelso, FRC 131
2005: Paul Copioli, FRC 217

While I agree that the Woodie Flowers Award is an individuals award, I also see it as a teams accomplishment to be proud of. With out the team, the mentor would not have been recognized by a panel of judges over hundreds of other entries.

Personally i think a FIRST Triple Crown might consists of a combination of the following in the same year [on a corresponding level]:

Rookie Year Regional:

• Rookie All Star
• Engineering Inspiration
• WFFA
• Regional Champion

Post Rookie Year Regional:

• Engineering Inspiration
• Regional Chairmans
• WFFA
• Regional Champions

Rookie Year Championship:

• Rookie All Star
• Rookie Inspiration
• WFA Recipient
• Divisional Champions
• Championship Finalists
• Championship Winners
• Founders Award Recipients

Post Rookie Year Championship:

• Engineering Inspiration
• Chairmans Recipients
• WFA Recipient
• Championship Finalists
• Championship Winners
• Founders Award Recipients

[Jeff Rodriguez]

Originally Posted by David Brinza

What about the following combination of team awards for "Triple Crown":

Championship
Chairman's Award
Engineering Inspiration Award

The WFA is really an individual award, although winning it is clearly a team accomplishment.

I don't know if Chairman's and Engineering Inspiration are mutually exclusive awards at a given event, but according to FIRST's documentation, they are the highest and second highest awards that can be bestowed on a team.

There haven't been any teams that have won Chairman's and Engineering Inspiration at the same event. Have there?
Because both awards qualify a team for the championship, they give them to different teams.

[BRosser314]

Originally Posted by Ogre

There haven't been any teams that have won Chairman's and Engineering Inspiration at the same event. Have there?
Because both awards qualify a team for the championship, they give them to different teams.

If this was the case how did 111 WEildStang win at Midwest 2006.

[The Lucas]

Originally Posted by BRosser314

If this was the case how did 111 WEildStang win at Midwest 2006.

WildStang has never won an Engineering Inspiration Award. Are you thinking of WFA?

[JJG13]

I love baseball so I think of the baseball version of the Triple Crown (most home runs, most RBIs, highest batting average)

Therefore the Triple Crown at an event should be about the offensive power of a team.

To win the Robotics Triple Crown, your team needs to have the:

1) Highest alliance score in a match.
2) Highest average alliance score.
3) Most wins.

[The Lucas]

Originally Posted by David Brinza

I don't know if Chairman's and Engineering Inspiration are mutually exclusive awards at a given event, but according to FIRST's documentation, they are the highest and second highest awards that can be bestowed on a team.

They are mutually exclusive at a given event. Some Chairman's Teams win EI at a different event where they didn't apply for Chairman's. This year, 357 won EI at Florida, then Chairman's at Philly. At some regionals, EI is given to the runner up for Chairman's.

Originally Posted by pathew100

Don't forget Baseball's Triple Crown, which is leading your league (AL or NL) in batting average, home runs, and runs batted in (RBI), in the same season. Doing this is VERY hard, in fact the last person to do it was Carl Yastrzemski in 1967!

I think of Chairman's, Champion & WFA like baseball's Triple Crown rather than Horse Racing. The 3 categories (AVG & HR & RBI) are loosely related like CA CMP & WFA, unlike Horse Racing where the 3 races are the very similar (different distances, but pretty much the same horses).