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Yes, and I would be willing to record the regional feed 30 16.13%
Yes, and I would be willing to parse recorded footage, for individual matches 17 9.14%
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Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

Hey, as far as I'm aware regionals each have a drop where teams can plug-in VCRs or cameras or computers to record video. That is, whether or not a regional is webcast, the footage from that competition can still be saved and put onto SOAP108's website, or somewhere similar. What I'm wondering, and I guess I'll bump this in a few months, when it actually starts to matter, is if there could be a coordinated effort here, to ensure that every single regional has video footage put up on SOAP, for scouting purposes?

The idea:

- You volunteer to record a regionals feed.
- You bring a VCR, a camera, or a computer, and plug it into the production company's drop..
- At the end of the competitions, you send the video tape, or a CD, or something like that, to a group of people willing to go through and seperate the long stream into individual matches.
- The individual matches get posted for everyone to watch (on SOAP?)

I also wouldn't mind having the regional scoring system database put online, for scouts to be able to look at the match data (get original scores before penalties, etc..), but that's for a different thread, and is reliant upon a solid enough scoring system weeks 1-5.

Just planting the idea at this point.

Who would be interested in plugging into FIRST's video drop and recording the official feed? Who would be willing to parse each video to have individual matches ready for upload? What are some ideas as to how these two processes can be made as efficient as possible (that is, as easy as possible)?
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Re: Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

Hey,

I see votes, awesome!

If you are interested, then can you please reply to the thread stating what competitions you are interested in recording..
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Re: Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

I'm definately doing FLR's video recording and if we go to Buckeye (we're pending) I'll record that one too.
Unfortunately our video computer blew up so I may not be able to immediately download it (that's why I haven't downloaded the Rah Cha Cha Ruckus Pieings).
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Re: Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

I'd be interested for the VCU Regional - I'll ask my team.

Someone may be able to write a program to parse the video into matches. For example, based on the beginning buzzer, a certain screen, or something else. Not sure exactly how to do it, but I'm sure there are a bunch of really good programming people in FIRST who could figure it out.

I'll ask the programmers on my team on Monday about parsing.
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Re: Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

This might be a large project to undertake, but couldn't this all be done in software?

1 - Direct feed from capture card/FireWire/USB Camera
2 - Figuring out when matches start and end (Operator to say when matches start and end, and/or direct input from FIRST field control system, and/or sound recognition to signal match start and end, and/or ripping match status from radio signals.)
3 - Apply buffer to start and end to ensure whole match is captured
4 - Save video file to hard drive
5 - Encode to WMV/Xvid/Divx/h.264
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Re: Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

I would totally be willing to record matches from any of the three regionals I am going to, BAE, Waterloo, or GTR. I would need some help figuring out what output they will give me, and I would prefer to record it to an external HD (like the nice big 500GB one). I have a large amount of experience in video encoding, I would probably output it to mp4 or divx. But the recording input would be the hardest part, how much memory will recording a full day of matched into mp4 take up?? I love going back an looking at matches during the season.
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Re: Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

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This might be a large project to undertake, but couldn't this all be done in software?

1 - Direct feed from capture card/FireWire/USB Camera
2 - Figuring out when matches start and end (Operator to say when matches start and end, and/or direct input from FIRST field control system, and/or sound recognition to signal match start and end, and/or ripping match status from radio signals.)
3 - Apply buffer to start and end to ensure whole match is captured
4 - Save video file to hard drive
5 - Encode to WMV/Xvid/Divx/h.264
I like the idea.. I don't know how well the actual parsing algorithm would work, however. If you can think of something, then great. I guess I'm trying not to be overwhelming. Recording and sending in video might sound more doable than something elaborate.
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Re: Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

I think its a great idea, i'd be interested in recording one of the three regionals i'm going to (GLR, Waterloo, GTR). Although, as Jonathan said.. I'm also curious to know what kinda output they'll give, using a HD sounds like the most effective way to record, perhaps a DVD-RW recorder w/HD?
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Re: Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

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This might be a large project to undertake, but couldn't this all be done in software?

1 - Direct feed from capture card/FireWire/USB Camera
2 - Figuring out when matches start and end (Operator to say when matches start and end, and/or direct input from FIRST field control system, and/or sound recognition to signal match start and end, and/or ripping match status from radio signals.)
3 - Apply buffer to start and end to ensure whole match is captured
4 - Save video file to hard drive
5 - Encode to WMV/Xvid/Divx/h.264
I just had a thought that people could possible take to there regional planning committee. What if each regional had say 2-3 cameras setup around the field. And when a match starts (or 1-2minutes before) a person at the scoring table would press a "start" button to make the cameras begin to record, then at the end of the match it would be on for another 1-2 minutes (and then have the final score displayed on the video. Just another idea to simplify/make this effort easier.
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I'd be interested for the VCU Regional - I'll ask my team.

Someone may be able to write a program to parse the video into matches. For example, based on the beginning buzzer, a certain screen, or something else. Not sure exactly how to do it, but I'm sure there are a bunch of really good programming people in FIRST who could figure it out.

I'll ask the programmers on my team on Monday about parsing.
I believe that 108 already SOAPs VCU (they have in the past anyway), but since they are attending NJ in week 1 this year, we may need it.
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Re: Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

My team may be able to provide recordings for NJ (if soap doesn't do it) and Chesapeake. Anyone going down to Brazil?
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My team may be able to provide recordings for NJ (if soap doesn't do it) and Chesapeake. Anyone going down to Brazil?
I think we can handle it!
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NASA / VCU Regional 			- Rob2713g
New Jersey Regional 			- Alex Burman
Pacific Northwest Regional 		- M. Krass
St. Louis Regional 			- 
Arizona Regional 			- Donut
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Brazilian Pilot 			- Manoel
Finger Lakes Regional 			- Koko Ed
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Great Lakes Regional 			- SAV1337
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Wisconsin Regional 			- Kevin K
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Chesapeake Regional 			- Alex Burman
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New York City Regional 			- Noah K.
Boston Regional 			- 
Buckeye Regional 			- Koko Ed
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Waterloo Regional 			- J. Norris, SAV1337
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Greater Toronto Regional 		- J. Norris, SAV1337
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Re: Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

I plan to record both Boilermaker and west michigan and if we get there Nationals all to DVD. I bought 2 DVD recorders last spring and I hope to get another 4-6 this year so that I can have redundancy, expecially since last year I was unplugged a time or two and lost about 3 hours of videos.

I had started to work on parsing the videos last year but my job got very busy. I should have more initiative and time to do it this year. So cound me for Boilermaker and Westmichigan. If I get my recorder card I will also bring my computer to do a webcast.

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Re: Coordinated Regional Video Archiving..

Personally I don't think recording is the biggest issue, getting it posted on the web in a central location is even more key. I was thinking we could try and bug Brandon to add a function to CD Media that would let us post links to youtube or google videos. I really think this would be the best option, seeing that the videos are not hosted here (bandwidth!) and they are accessible to everyone. I have been playing around with flash video lately (here) and really love it, but I still feel youtube and/or google video embedded in a CD Media page would be best.
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