[FF]: Taking Fantasy FIRST To the Next Level

[Brandon Martus]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Why not let the founder of each league determine the scoring system for that league? You could have basic templates that they are suggested to follow, but giving each commish freedom to change the scoring system would be greatly appreciated (at least by me).

Corey and I haven't talked much about anything yet .. other than that we'd talk .. so I don't know how he was going to do scoring. When I first envisioned the system, though, each league would have its own scoring system. Each award's score would be defaulted to a set standard that the commissioner would get to modify how they saw fit.

-Brandon

(todays progress: i can create a league.)

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Why not let the founder of each league determine the scoring system for that league? You could have basic templates that they are suggested to follow, but giving each commish freedom to change the scoring system would be greatly appreciated (at least by me).

IMHO, that system would be broken to start. Everyone has a different opinion on how the game should be scored. Leagues should be based off of player skill and demographics, not the scoring system. With such a small user base, I think we'd see a whole bunch of leagues that did not divide users on skill level, but rather 1000 different versions of the scoring rubric.

I think three scoring rubrics is the way to go. One way to split it up may be:

1) Vision of FIRST: includes awards. High weight on chairmans.
2) Common Man: Equal emphasis on both awards and competition. More emphasis given to technical awards than "sympathy" awards. (Sorry, imagery winners...)
3) Die Hard Fan: Scoring based solely on competition results.

What does everyone else think?

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

IMHO, that system would be broken to start. Everyone has a different opinion on how the game should be scored. Leagues should be based off of player skill and demographics, not the scoring system. With such a small user base, I think we'd see a whole bunch of leagues that did not divide users on skill level, but rather 1000 different versions of the scoring rubric.

I think three scoring rubrics is the way to go. One way to split it up may be:

1) Vision of FIRST: includes awards. High weight on chairmans.
2) Common Man: Equal emphasis on both awards and competition. More emphasis given to technical awards than "sympathy" awards. (Sorry, imagery winners...)
3) Die Hard Fan: Scoring based solely on competition results.

What does everyone else think?

I have yet to found a Fantasy Sports league of any kind (including Fantasy FIRST) in which I could not determine my own scoring system. Typically my modifications are minor (in FF for example I increased the weighting of "minor awards", reduced the weighting of seeding, CA, and EI, modified ties to 0 points, and removed the high score factor).
I don't think a fixed rubric system would achieve division by skill level either. There is a very common misconception that the "skilled" and "informed" Fantasy FIRSTer loses to the "lucky Chairman's" player. A truly skilled player factors in where the points come from, and the teams most likely to win the most Fantasy points in that league, not the team who has the best robot. Thus why I have always insisted on Chairman's and other awards being included (to provide more criteria for teams to score points, thus typically creating more "powerhouse" teams and reducing overall parity), but have contested the overly dramatic weighting used in most CD leagues.

[Corey Balint]

Well the reason I really did not want to split the scoring too much, was to have a certain sense of a true champion. That when you put the 3 split catagories leagues together, you would have a separate winner per category. Or other small events because of that. Say, a Champions League (Soccer Style), that the top few teams from each league would then go and compete in the Championship event. A playoff system if you will.

[Alex Cormier]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

Well the reason I really did not want to split the scoring too much, was to have a certain sense of a true champion. That when you put the 3 split catagories leagues together, you would have a separate winner per category. Or other small events because of that. Say, a Champions League (Soccer Style), that the top few teams from each league would then go and compete in the Championship event. A playoff system if you will.

are you saying wise of like player of the year. or the ATL champ? i see the two completely diffrent.

[Corey Balint]

Originally Posted by Alex Cormier

are you saying wise of like player of the year. or the ATL champ? i see the two completely diffrent.

Well, no not really. The player of the year would be harder to determine, since we would have, at least in my theory(again brandon and I are gonna sort more things out. sent me stuff last night, i just have to go to work now, so i cant until later), the 3 different scoring systems and numerous leagues. What I envisioned was all types of leagues, ones for only regionals, ones for only championships, ones for both, keeper leagues(My personal favorite). But in the season long leagues/keeper leagues, is where we would do the Champions League. But a player of the year system could be worked in somehow.

[Brandon Martus]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

Well the reason I really did not want to split the scoring too much, was to have a certain sense of a true champion. That when you put the 3 split catagories leagues together, you would have a separate winner per category. Or other small events because of that. Say, a Champions League (Soccer Style), that the top few teams from each league would then go and compete in the Championship event. A playoff system if you will.

We could always run an 'official' Fantasy FIRST set of leagues (3 sets .. vision, common, diehard) .. with standard scoring system across the board .. and then let others have their own modified FF leagues, in addition.

[Corey Balint]

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus

We could always run an 'official' Fantasy FIRST .. with standard scoring system across the board .. and then let others have their own modified FF leagues, in addition. Best of both worlds ..

True. I'll have a writeup of what I am thinking done, hopefully this weekend...I also have a paper to write, but who cares about that.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Brandon Martus

We could always run an 'official' Fantasy FIRST set of leagues (3 sets .. vision, common, diehard) .. with standard scoring system across the board .. and then let others have their own modified FF leagues, in addition.

That works for me

[Alex Cormier]

I say that we make a list and to be on this list is exclusive.
this list is the only people who may make a league.

this year's soem regionals are really messed up. loose picking times, teams being able to picked up to 3 times, other issues.

Just a thought.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

A truly skilled player factors in where the points come from, and the teams most likely to win the most Fantasy points in that league, not the team who has the best robot.

Unless said player does not like the scoring system, and wants to pick teams purely on competitive prowess and not on off the field events.

[Corey Balint]

Brandon basically has the idea of it all. The integration looks as if it will be smooth and efficient. I gotta applaud Brandon on it. It should be pretty kick-gluteusmaximus. I'm just trying to make a more standardized system that will be able to govern over it better. And a system that could make it much more exciting and fun for dedicated members. Also a few other pet project ideas that I've had for a while.

[Corey Balint]

Check the white papers

[Alex Cormier]

PIMP!!!

[Corey Balint]

Anyone have any questions or criticisms of it?