pic: FRC488 Lift Mechanism Deployed

[Madison]

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[dtengineering]

Brilliant... I know where I want to park when we get to Portland!

Jason

[Guy Davidson]

I call this parking lot in SVR.

Looks pretty sweet.

-Guy

[Dantvman27]

One Word









DANG!


(in a good sense)

[s_forbes]

Great looking cad model! Out of curiosity, is the material that the platform is made out of going to be transparent? I can imagine that it would be difficult to see what was going on on the field with those things folded up.

[Rich Wong]

Why didn't I think of that!!

[Dan Petrovic]

We had this idea earlier on but it was scrapped because we decided not to lift.

It's a very nice, easy, and safe way to lift. I like it.

[fluffy]

we also tought of doing it at one time, I even drew it up in inventor, but since then, our team has decided on a lighter design

114 looks forward to working with you guys at both PNW and SVR! Looks very good! How long does it take to lift up a 120 pound robot to full height? Also, are there any dimensions on the total size of this platform? I'm very curious as to how easy it will be to drive onto this platform.

[Madison]

Originally Posted by s_forbes

Great looking cad model! Out of curiosity, is the material that the platform is made out of going to be transparent? I can imagine that it would be difficult to see what was going on on the field with those things folded up.

The material we're currently planning on using is semi-transparent. You can see shadows through it, but no fine detail. When folded, these lifts form something near a triangle atop our robot, so the profile along the long axis is pretty small. Looking at the side of the robot, though, is a lot like staring at a wall.

Originally Posted by 114ManualLabor

114 looks forward to working with you guys at both PNW and SVR! Looks very good! How long does it take to lift up a 120 pound robot to full height? Also, are there any dimensions on the total size of this platform? I'm very curious as to how easy it will be to drive onto this platform.

The gas springs haven't been attached yet, but under no load, they extend their full length in about two seconds. It ought not take much longer than that to lift a robot since the gas springs operate at a pretty constant force.

The overall dimensions of the flat part of the platform are about 37 x 45". When collapsed, the top is 2.25" from the floor. There will be ramps leading up to the flat portion that ought to be about 9" long.

[ChuckDickerson]

Madison,

The lift looks really nice. We have been mocking up a couple of different similar designs using gas shocks and I have a couple of questions. First, in your design what keeps the two tall pieces of channel from just bending over? Second, (this is more of a rules interpretation question) are you placing any material between the bottom two pieces of metal (channel? Box tube?) and the carpet? I ask only because we are wondering if we need to so ast to not violate <R34> (the no metal touching carpet rule). I guess it depends on what is meant by a "traction device".

<R34> ROBOT wheels, tracks, and other parts intended to provide traction on the playing field may
be purchased or fabricated (“traction devices” include all parts of the ROBOT that are
designed to transmit any propulsive and/or braking forces between the ROBOT and the
playing field). In no case will traction devices that damage the carpet or other playing
surfaces be permitted. Traction devices can not have surface features such as metal,
sandpaper, hard plastic studs, cleats, or other attachments. Anchors (i.e. devices that are
deployed/used to keep one’s ROBOT in one place and prevent if from being moved by
another ROBOT) can not use metal in contact with the carpet or other playing surfaces to
“stay put.” Gaining traction by using adhesives or Velcro-like fastener material is not
allowed.

[Madison]

Originally Posted by DeepWater

Madison,

The lift looks really nice. We have been mocking up a couple of different similar designs using gas shocks and I have a couple of questions. First, in your design what keeps the two tall pieces of channel from just bending over? Second, (this is more of a rules interpretation question) are you placing any material between the bottom two pieces of metal (channel? Box tube?) and the carpet? I ask only because we are wondering if we need to so ast to not violate <R34> (the no metal touching carpet rule). I guess it depends on what is meant by a "traction device".

The force of the gas springs at the start of the lift is exerted entirely vertically. As the lift extends, some force is exerted horizontally. It's about 25% of the total force, or 30 lbs. per gas spring. I should have done elaborate amounts of FEA on the linkages to determine their behavior given that they're seeing unprecedented loads for FIRST robots, but I honestly didn't have the time. Instead, we're taking a wait and see approach.

The linkages themselves buckled under the load in our first iteration. This was redesigned to accomodate that experience -- if something similar happens to the vertical pieces, we'll just make it stronger.

I'm pretty confident that the bottom of the lift will not be considered a traction surface, but I've been trying to also plan for nearly all eventualities and we hope to have something available to us to coat the bottom should the inspectors require it.

[Fred Sayre]

Originally Posted by DeepWater

Madison,

The lift looks really nice. We have been mocking up a couple of different similar designs using gas shocks and I have a couple of questions. First, in your design what keeps the two tall pieces of channel from just bending over? Second, (this is more of a rules interpretation question) are you placing any material between the bottom two pieces of metal (channel? Box tube?) and the carpet? I ask only because we are wondering if we need to so ast to not violate <R34> (the no metal touching carpet rule). I guess it depends on what is meant by a "traction device".

Not on 488, but on my old team 824 we used all metal ball casters and they allowed it despite the metal contact with the ground. So it seems that normal forces against the ground should be okay, at least by that inspection.

[T3_1565]

our design for lifting is fairly similar to that, but I must say your picture is better than ours lol very nice! Hope to see you guys at atlanta! *crosses fingers*

[Manoel]

Looks great, as well as the rest of the robot, but I have a few questions - not sure if I completely understood your system.

Are the gas shocks preloaded, and then released to lift (launch? ) another robot? If that's the case, how hard is it to load them? Lifting a 150 pound robot 14" up in two seconds sure requires a lot of force.

Also, does the entire system pivot around that huge C-bracket?
Anyway, your robot sure looks great. It seems like we are using the same material on our ramps (does it, by any chance, weigh 1,5 kg per square meter? Incredibly strong stuff! )