pic: How illegal is that?

[geeknerd99]

I looked at the EXIF, and (assuming the camera clock was correct) this indeed was on Thursday. 1:40 PM, in fact.

I suppose the moral of the picture is train your human player well?

[Dan Petrovic]

Originally Posted by geeknerd99

I looked at the EXIF, and (assuming the camera clock was correct) this indeed was on Thursday. 1:40 PM, in fact.

I suppose the moral of the picture is train your human player well?

It's not the human player's fault. It's that extra person's fault for touching the tube

The human player could be the best human player in the world, and know all of the rules perfectly. But that extra driver/coach...

So, the real moral of the story: Train your entire drive team well

[VanMan]

You sure they are both from the same team?

[Nate Edwards]

This was not enforced at all at PNW. I was a coach of a drive team and when we watching the drive teams before our matches the refs didn't even pay attention to the fact that two even three members of the drive team were tossing tubes on the field. Also humans breaking the plane of the field was not enforced either. The refs didn't even seem to know what I was talking about when I talked to them about it.

[ChrisMcK2186]

Hmm, its like teaching your date to golf, only slightly nerdier. Hope I spelled nerdier right....

Chris

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by GeeForce

It's violating <G48> (only human player can touch the tubes), but in response to the question it's not horribly illegal, only minorly

Actually, <G47> says any team member, including the coach, can touch game pieces. <G48> says it must be the HP who enters the ringers onto the field.

Originally Posted by CaseyKasem77

Looks like due to the amount of people in the crowd that was on thursday during practice matches. So i guess it could be forgivable if it was during practice matches not actual qualifying matches.

Also the people standing along side the field are dressed in crew shirts, not ref shirts. I agree with the Thursday guess.

[1359th Scalawag]

Originally Posted by GeeForce

It's violating <G48> (only human player can touch the tubes), but in response to the question it's not horribly illegal, only minorly

Anybody in the alliance station can handle the tubes, but the human players are the only ones allowed to enter them onto the feild.

[vic burg]

I believe because the tubes are supposed to go through the chute, and not over the alliance wall, that is an illegal move. Along with it being two people holding the tube. Which, it is understandable if she was losing her grip on the tube, but then again, even more reason why you shouldn't put it over the wall.
Unless I am mistaken. But, that is what I recall.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by vic burg

I believe because the tubes are supposed to go through the chute, and not over the alliance wall, that is an illegal move. Along with it being two people holding the tube. Which, it is understandable if she was losing her grip on the tube, but then again, even more reason why you shouldn't put it over the wall.
Unless I am mistaken. But, that is what I recall.

You are mistaken. Passing over the wall is legal, as long as neither the robot nor the human breaks the plane. It was made clear in a Q&A as I recall.

[jacob07]

I would have never believed that robots would actually grab over the wall to get a tube. this picture shows them handing it to the roboti but I was surprised that during actual competition how many people were getting dq'd for breaking the playing field to get a tube...It was a little sad

[artdutra04]

Originally Posted by Steve W

To be different, I see nothing wrong with this picture. A moment frozen in time. If I were a Ref I would need to wait until the tube was released. The person may be bringing it back to the station. There is no rule on 2 people touching the tube. Unless both people released at the exact same time then there may be only 1 person putting the tube on the field.


Just a few observations to open up the thinking process.

Good call.

We don't have enough information from this picture to know if this move was indeed illegal. It is perfectly legal for anyone to handle the tube, and it is perfectly legal to enter the tube into play over the alliance station wall. As long as the human player was the last and only person touching the tube when it was entered into play, then it's legal. It's cutting it close, but it is within the rules.

[timville]

He is correct that this picture would not be a violation...

It would be a violation if the robot touched the game piece as both hands were on the game piece, as this would be entering the piece into play and would break the "human player only" rule.

Secondly, if the robot would break the plane of the driver's station, that too would be a 10-pt penalty, and if either/both of the team's hands crossed the player's station wall/shute, it would be a 10-pt penalty.

Ultimatly, if the robot and the players made contact, it would be a disable and a DQ if I remember correctly.

[vic burg]

Originally Posted by GaryV1188

You are mistaken. Passing over the wall is legal, as long as neither the robot nor the human breaks the plane. It was made clear in a Q&A as I recall.

Oops, thank you for the correction, Gary.
Sorry about that, everyone.

[Stvn]

I think that they are two human players on two different teams. After all, there is nothing illegal about wearing a shirt belonging to a team other than the one you are on.