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Re: YMTC: Redabot Scores 30 Bonus Points?

While i would like it be considered as qualifying for 'bonus' points, the rules show that it is not. As Dave pointed out earlier, anything you set out on the field is your robot. You cannot break the robot into various sections that receive different rulings. Redabot could have easily designed their robot to release only one ramp at a time, but they didn't. They could have foreseen this happening ,as I'm sure many teams may have, and designed around it.

If your opponent broke the 72" x 72" size constraint with their ramps you would quickly point out the rule that penalized this. Why? Because the ramps are part of their robot. How can you go about claiming that they aren't in one situation, but they are in another? The GDC is consistent throughout the rules as to what constitutes a robot, part of a robot, or what have you. You can't make an exception to the rules because you wish it was one way.
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Re: YMTC: Redabot Scores 30 Bonus Points?

well i dont know about you but, to me the real meaning of that rule would be

if you use a game piece to get extra height ( i.e. stack two ringers and get on top of them to get points )
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Re: YMTC: Redabot Scores 30 Bonus Points?

I saw the same thing happen at GLR, Red lost the match due to a ringer interfering with bot and ramp. The rules this year are way over the top. I long for the "use common sense" of games gone by. At least it's not the use "rules" to fight gravity, as was the case with the teteras.
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Re: YMTC: Redabot Scores 30 Bonus Points?

If we're splitting robots into pieces, just how much of the robot has to be supported before all of it is supported? Would anyone like that judgment call?

The rule as written is clear. If the bottom robot is being supported by a tube, the upper robot doesn't gain points. No matter if the lower robot gets an advantage from resting on the tube or not.
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Re: YMTC: Redabot Scores 30 Bonus Points?

Consider this in addition to the YMTC issue as posed: During a match at the Pittsburgh Regional last week, we attempted to clear tubes from our home zone so we would avoid this same YMTC issue. We received a 10 point penalty for herding. We are a lifting only robot. We have no manipulator and were not grasping or otherwise possessing any rings. We simply pushed a group of rings with our chassis only. The result was uncontrolled movement of the rings in multiple directions. If you can't be on the rings and you can't move them out of the way what is one to do?
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Re: YMTC: Redabot Scores 30 Bonus Points?

One final odd point I thought of last night. How does this affect a hybrid ramp/ringer bot? If they still have a ringer in their possession at the end of the game and it's touching the floor and their grabber, do their ramped bots count? What it it's one of the many top top grabbers I've seen and it's resting on top of a ringer? As T. Hoffman has said, this rule is so nebulous at this stage, that a ringer lifting device resting on top of a ringer can be constured as supporting a robot with said ringer.
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Re: YMTC: Redabot Scores 30 Bonus Points?

If your lift number two didnt have a robot on it, you should lift it up to avoid the whole situation. Thats my final opinion. Red should rather be safe than sorry, and lift the second lift as to eliminate any doubt.
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