Nats Alliances

[Vikesrock]

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson

Did anyone WATCH the picks on Curie? Was there some sort of crazy haze in the air or something?

I am not taking anything away from the teams drafted but seriously, how did 1114 get 469 on the 5th pick? Did #5 seed, 1114 get drafted and turn them down?

I don't understand it.

Joe J.

The picks for Curie are now up on SOAP. The #1 alliance captain 1732 asked both 1114 and 330 and were declined before selecting 67.

[nutron5skills]

any videos of the finals? i had to go somewhere

[Corey Balint]

25 is out.

[xzvrw2]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

25 is out.

YES THEY AER!!!

[VEN]

1305 176 2166

[Psychoflood]

25 went down suprisingly fast o.o

[Bongle]

1114 has been only above average, not at their normal level.

In all honesty, I think 1114 is simply not as dominant a design as they were last year. At each of their regionals, they were good, yes, but they weren't as unstoppably good as they were last year. Last year, their autonomous was 90%+ accurate, they were unmoveable when in shooting positions, they were very easy to human-load, they were fast. This year, they are good at everything, but the margin that they are better than other people isn't quite as large.

Maybe part of it is that when the triplets were all together, tactics-development proceeded at three times the rate. 1503/1680 might try something with their robot, and say "hey, this worked for us", and so their tactics would evolve quickly.

On the tactics note, they certainly matter a lot more at nats where people can conceivably fill the rack in a match. At most regionals, you could be satisisfied with just putting up tubes as fast as your alliance could do it, but here it looks to be ludicrously important to block off your opponents early.

[Adam McLeod]

I think the difference isn't in the design of the robot, it's in the game. This just isn't a game where you can shoot tons of balls into a goal, rather it's a game with a limited number of scoring opportunities and a common goal. Last year's game was one where a dominant robot almost never lost (25 is another example), this year's game is one where a dominant robot like 1114 (yes I still think they're dominant) has to work a bit harder to win their two regionals. Note that they still won those two regionals...

Originally Posted by Bongle

In all honesty, I think 1114 is simply not as dominant a design as they were last year. At each of their regionals, they were good, yes, but they weren't as unstoppably good as they were last year. Last year, their autonomous was 90%+ accurate, they were unmoveable when in shooting positions, they were very easy to human-load, they were fast. This year, they are good at everything, but the margin that they are better than other people isn't quite as large.

Maybe part of it is that when the triplets were all together, tactics-development proceeded at three times the rate. 1503/1680 might try something with their robot, and say "hey, this worked for us", and so their tactics would evolve quickly.

On the tactics note, they certainly matter a lot more at nats where people can conceivably fill the rack in a match. At most regionals, you could be satisisfied with just putting up tubes as fast as your alliance could do it, but here it looks to be ludicrously important to block off your opponents early.

[nutron5skills]

any divisions done yet?

P.S. I think 195, 121, 1276 are going to win their division (curie??) and 233, 71, 179 win arch

[ahecht]

Wow, upset in Newton. #8 alliance (190, 177, 987) just beat the #1 alliance (2194, 33, 1503) to move on to the semifinals.

[Ian Curtis]

Originally Posted by ahecht

Wow, upset in Newton. #8 alliance (190, 177, 987) just beat the #1 alliance (2194, 33, 1503) to move on to the semifinals.

That's only the second time since the introduction of seperate divisions that that has happened.

(If anyone's interested, the first time was on Galileo in 2005.)

EDIT:

Huh. Steve pointed out that it happened twice this year. So it's the second/third time. Why is this game so even?!

[Bongle]

Wow, I didn't expect 2056's alliance to be so ramp-dependant. They've double-ramped in every match I've watched.

Go canadian teams!

[xzvrw2]

Originally Posted by iCurtis

That's only the second time since the introduction of seperate divisions that that has happened.

(If anyone's interested, the first time was on Galileo in 2005.)

8 beat one in galilieo this yeat

[tkwetzel]

Originally Posted by nutron5skills

any divisions done yet?

They all just finished the quarter-finals. Time to move to the semis!

[PatrickN]

Originally Posted by Bongle

In all honesty, I think 1114 is simply not as dominant a design as they were last year. At each of their regionals, they were good, yes, but they weren't as unstoppably good as they were last year. Last year, their autonomous was 90%+ accurate, they were unmoveable when in shooting positions, they were very easy to human-load, they were fast. This year, they are good at everything, but the margin that they are better than other people isn't quite as large.

Maybe part of it is that when the triplets were all together, tactics-development proceeded at three times the rate. 1503/1680 might try something with their robot, and say "hey, this worked for us", and so their tactics would evolve quickly.

On the tactics note, they certainly matter a lot more at nats where people can conceivably fill the rack in a match. At most regionals, you could be satisisfied with just putting up tubes as fast as your alliance could do it, but here it looks to be ludicrously important to block off your opponents early.

If you look at their actual robot, I think it's more advanced than last year. Note that at their four competitions they've still been either the captain of the number one alliance or the first pick. Although they made it look easy I'm sure it was somewhat draining to make three robots. I think what you've described is mostly a result of the nature of the game and the fact that they have an enormous target on their backs everywhere they go.