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Moral question

I have a hot issue in my AP class right now, and I want your opinion.

Since we are drawing near to the end of the year, our AP English teacher is shutting down for the year. He let us do whatever for a few days, then passed out an assignment sheet to the class. He emphasized that this was not going to be graded. It was a sample college application that we were to fill out; when we were done we would form the class into groups. Each group would get a few essays, and the group would discuss and decide who would be accepted, turned down, or wait-listed. This whole process was, as the teacher emphasized, for our benefit; we would be able to use these essays a year down the line when we are all applying for colleges. I did the assignment, and had it with me, on time, just as he asked.

However, approximately 11 students did not turn in the paper, for one reason or another. Instead of doing the paper, they elected to start the AP summer work that is due next fall. They worked just as hard, if not harder, than the rest of the class.

When the teacher counted the essays, he found how many were missing, and came up with what he calls a betrayal essay. To make a long story short, it is a massively long essay that no student could possibly satisfactorily complete by the due date, Monday--not to mention we have final exams next week, which each student needs to be able to study for this weekend. This punishment assignment is weighted so heavily that, if not completed, it will dip any student's grade one letter grade lower.

The more I think about it, the more agitated I get about it. I cannot figure out how to describe what I am feeling right now--it seems like there's something wrong morally here, but I can't put my finger on it. I can't discuss with the teacher until I know what I'm going to say, and there's no chance of making things right after the due date. That means I have 2 days to figure it out.

Do any of you see anything wrong here, or do you think that the teacher's actions were justified?

BTW. I did the assignment, so I am not biased in that respect.

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EDIT: The teacher says that he never said it was optional--it is still a required assignment, but it isn't going in the gradebook.

EDIT 2: Here is the assignment he gave those students.
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DIRECTIONS:
Write an argumentative essay on the subject of betrayal. Specifically, answer the question, “What happens to a community (e.g., a classroom, a school, a town, a state, a country) when a significant portion of its members choose not to participate in an activity or event whose full benefits are dependent on the participation of the entire (or virtually the entire) community?”

PROJECT REQUIREMENTS:
1. Minimum four (4) pages in length
2. Minimum four (4) works cited (fiction or non-fiction sources), with corresponding citations
3. Effective argumentative essay techniques (e.g., claim, data, warrant, concession, refutation, ethos appeals, logos appeals, pathos appeals)
4. One (1) or more elaborated historical anecdotes (e.g., Dillard’s discussion of the French-Indian War)
5. One (1) or more elaborated references to a current event
6. Two (2) visual representations (e.g., photo, cartoon, advertisement, table, chart) that add meaning to your essay (insert a Text Box in Word, then insert your visual representation in the Text Box)
7. One (1) or more elaborated excerpts (e.g., a short poem, a paragraph) from a work of literature that helped inform your purpose (place this in the body of your essay, or in a Text Box, as appropriate)
8. Fifteen (15) or more different rhetorical devices – put a parenthetical reference in the body of your essay, naming the rhetorical device
9. Proper MLA formatting (1” margins, double-spaced, 12-point font, heading, header)
10. Signatures of two community members who can attest to the literary worthiness of your essay
11. NO SATIRES WILL BE ACCEPTED

GRADING:
This assignment is worth 300 points toward your 4th marking period grade.

The assignment will be graded on completeness, accuracy, and evidence of a robust, detailed, methodical, comprehensive, diligent, mature approach that honors the spirit of this assignment.

Failure to incorporate any one of the project requirements listed above will earn an automatic zero.
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EDIT 3: And please don't worry about sounding like a jerk or whatever. I want it raw.
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Re: Moral question

That is definitely wrong. Especially if the teacher said that the essay was optional. There is no question that if students didn't do it, that there is no reason for them to be 'punished'. Anyway, what is a 'betrayal' or 'punishment' essay? That is ridiculous. Homework should not be a 'punishment'.... It should be a learning tool. Regardless of what students did instead of the essay (regardless of weather or not it was for the class), there is absolutley no reason that students should be held liable for an essay that was stated to be optional.

This teacher appears to have some control problems..... 'Betrayal' work? Inconsistent grading policy?.... You guys are in AP, and took the exam. That is quite a feat in and of itself.

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Especially if the teacher said that the essay was optional.
Read closely: I never wrote that it was optional, I just said it would not be graded.

That's the position the teacher is making--he says it is still a required assignment, but not graded.

I do agree though, it is easy to believe the two are the same.

I also agree on the inconsistent grading policy.

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Re: Moral question

I don't know, your class did skip out on doing an "assignment." There is no way that a paper is that hard that it cannot be done in one weekend, trust me I have done enough AP English work this week that I know what can and can't be done. Besides this Betrayal Paper is probably a better way to prepare you for college than anything else. You will procrastinate in college and wait until the last second, so just do the paper and get over it.

I don't want to be taken as a jerk by this post, it is just that whatever your teacher assigns as work is work and should be done. Just think of the deadline as your six week deadline for FIRST, just when you think you can't do it, you are amazed by what you can do.
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Re: Moral question

Go to youe guidance counselor, explain, and ask for advice. Or an administrator that you know. I need a lot more info to give an opinion, but those who work in the school may have better insight. On the other hand, a long essay that will interfere with other important exams may have an overly significant impact.

Fair? A fair is a place you take your kids. I get assignments at work that keep me late sometimes, weekends too, but that's the nature of the beast.

But if the teacher is just being sadistic, perhaps someone in authority should be made aware.

Of course, no matter what: Turn in the big essay.

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Re: Moral question

I agree with Jacob. "Betrayal essay" what are they thinking?!?!

11 students out of how many were missing the assignment?

Would you mind elaborating on what the "betrayal essay" is?

Does your school have a set grading policy?

Does that teacher have multiple sessions of that class? If so, did the other classes have to do the "betrayal essay"? If they didn't does your school have any policies that would prohibit giving some sessions extra assignments?

EDIT: I do think the students who didn't turn in the paper should have consequences, but not the entire class.
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Re: Moral question

(This is a dialog between EHaskins and me, I just am too lazy to put in the quote tags)

WHAT IS NOT IN BOLD IS NOT MY TEXT. IT IS EHASKINS'.
11 students out of how many were missing the assignment?

Our class has about 30 people.

Would you mind elaborating on what the "betrayal essay" is?

Read my post; I put the original assignment paper in.

Does your school have a set grading policy?

The grading policy is set at the beginning of the year by the teacher. I'll have a look at that syllabus real quick...

Does that teacher have multiple sessions of that class? If so, did the other classes have to do the "betrayal essay"? If they didn't does your school have any policies that would prohibit giving some sessions extra assignments?

This is the only AP English class.
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DIRECTIONS:
Write an argumentative essay on the subject of betrayal. Specifically, answer the question, “What happens to a community (e.g., a classroom, a school, a town, a state, a country) when a significant portion of its members choose not to participate in an activity or event whose full benefits are dependent on the participation of the entire (or virtually the entire) community?”

PROJECT REQUIREMENTS:
1. Minimum four (4) pages in length
2. Minimum four (4) works cited (fiction or non-fiction sources), with corresponding citations
3. Effective argumentative essay techniques (e.g., claim, data, warrant, concession, refutation, ethos appeals, logos appeals, pathos appeals)
4. One (1) or more elaborated historical anecdotes (e.g., Dillard’s discussion of the French-Indian War)
5. One (1) or more elaborated references to a current event
6. Two (2) visual representations (e.g., photo, cartoon, advertisement, table, chart) that add meaning to your essay (insert a Text Box in Word, then insert your visual representation in the Text Box)
7. One (1) or more elaborated excerpts (e.g., a short poem, a paragraph) from a work of literature that helped inform your purpose (place this in the body of your essay, or in a Text Box, as appropriate)
8. Fifteen (15) or more different rhetorical devices – put a parenthetical reference in the body of your essay, naming the rhetorical device
9. Proper MLA formatting (1” margins, double-spaced, 12-point font, heading, header)
10. Signatures of two community members who can attest to the literary worthiness of your essay
11. NO SATIRES WILL BE ACCEPTED

GRADING:
This assignment is worth 300 points toward your 4th marking period grade.

The assignment will be graded on completeness, accuracy, and evidence of a robust, detailed, methodical, comprehensive, diligent, mature approach that honors the spirit of this assignment.

Failure to incorporate any one of the project requirements listed above will earn an automatic zero.
====================================
Someone needs to bring this to an Administrator's attention. This is just.... unspeakably immoral, dishonest, irresponsible, and just plain wrong. This person must have serious issues. (EDIT: ) Step 11 should not have to be included unless this was done in some senseless act of power-hungry rage.... That is just an inappropriate requirement.

A student (should) get credit for what they do. If a student does not complete an assignment worth 0 points, they should get a score of 0/0 as opposed to 100/0.

Also, if this was a proper AP course, there should have been a syllabus. The only assignments that count toward your final grade should be outlined on the syllabus. Something worth this much can be added at ANY point without complete consent of the class. The teacher can only give you a grade based on the work outlined on the syllabus.

This is just absurd.


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I do think the students who didn't turn in the paper should have consequences, but not the entire class.

So he is imposing this 'betrayal' essay on EVERYONE? That is unbelievable. In what way was it your fault that the other students did not complete the assignment?

Even so, the other students should not be imposed with this assignment based on reasons I have already discussed.

EDIT2:
If this is an AP class, then it should model a college class in every way. I have taken almost 80 college credits, and NEVER would something like this be accepted. EVER. EVER. It's just so absurd. If you don't complete an assignment, you don't get points. It's that easy. Ask your teacher if this was ever done to him in college....

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Re: Moral question

I have to admit... there isn't much to that essay. There's a lot of content, but not much requirement for originial thought. Therefore; I do believe this is doable.

Now, onto the morality issue. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander." When a fellow employee slacks off, you will have to pick up that slack. Happens everywhere. Because these eleven people have done wrong, everyone is being punished. Life is not fair.

Anyways, the more you read what other people think about this incident, the less time you have to do the actual assignment.

Sorry I was harsh, but it really isn't THAT bad.


EDIT: I think that step 11 is totally justified. Satire is a personally unacceptable form of explanation.
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The directions say its worth 300 points. How many possible points are their?

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Re: Moral question

Alright, so the original essays were sample college apps with discussion after as you said. Obviously he is getting you ready for college. Part of the class did not turn it in, a significantly large portion, so he made this assignment. This assignment is much like the ones I get in college, except instead of 4 pages it is 10, and still due a week from the date assigned. You are lucky that you get to experience this before it is thrown at you the week before your finals in college.
I agree with the teacher, yes it is finals and those are hard but as you stated this was not an optional assignment, he has all the right to give your class one to fill its place seeing as the assignment itself is not done. If your class knew that you would need to discuss these as part of the class then you should have encouraged the other students to do their work for the class, instead of work that is designated for summer.
Sorry guys, I am with the teacher, he is successfully preparing you for college, and the work world and has all the right to assign this.
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The directions say its worth 300 points. How many possible points are their?

Jacob,
Your first edit has a quote from JBotAlan, but I wrote that and it got left when he was responding to my post. You might want to remove that quote.
Fixed.

It's probably worth 3 tests..... *speculation*.... That is just ABSURD!

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Hey, Hey, Hey..... Watch it.... This might violate rule 11......

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Re: Moral question

Note that he is not giving the assignment to the whole class, just to the ones who 'betrayed' him.

I have to say this is OK, but 300 points is enough to lower any student's grade one letter. I don't know how many points there is--our school's reporting system doesn't show that info.

This assignment should not be that heavy. It is not right that the teacher can pull an assignment out of thin air and make it that point-heavy.

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After reading the assignment over very carefully, I think it is a beautiful assignment. In that, I mean, beautiful. It could mine gold.

I fear though, because it is the end of the year, students are stressed and at year's end - probably - and ready for the summer to begin - that the assignment will not be what it could be.

It is worthy of an AP English assignment and could be an incredible opportunity.

And what does happen to the community? That is a very interesting question.
Hello - Ken Leung, hope you read this assignment, it may provide a future essay for you.
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