Indians [vs] Red Sox (GP, Please)

[Tim Delles]

Hmmm... for someone who claims that he wants the thread to be no flaming you toe the line very close

We just wanted to go to Boston and win the last game on their soil, just like we did with the Yankees.

o well...

[JackN]

As much as it pains me, I am rooting for the Indians, but it looks like they are done now. They played the two best teams money can buy, and that is exactly the problem with major league baseball, it is an uneven playing field. Teams like the A's, Pirates, Twins, Marlins and Devil Rays can't compete with the elite teams in terms of payroll. The Yankees and Red Sox can just throw a pile of money at a player that is more than the entire payroll of most teams i.e. Dice-K. I commend the Indians for getting it done the old fashioned way of building prospects and making smart trades.

[Tim Delles]

Originally Posted by JackN

As much as it pains me, I am rooting for the Indians, but it looks like they are done now. They played the two best teams money can buy, and that is exactly the problem with major league baseball, it is an uneven playing field. Teams like the A's, Pirates, Twins, Marlins and Devil Rays can't compete with the elite teams in terms of payroll. The Yankees and Red Sox can just throw a pile of money at a player that is more than the entire payroll of most teams i.e. Dice-K. I commend the Indians for getting it done the old fashioned way of building prospects and making smart trades.

Dice-K only gets $ 6.3 million a year

HAHA!!! what about the $250 million paid to A-Rod by the rangers? ($25 million a year)

Tampa Bay Pays an outfield (Carl Crawford) 4.1million a year. and they are the lowest payroll in MLB.

Arizona pays Randy Johnson 9 million a year.

Phillies have 7 players paid more than 6.5million

Jamie Moyer
Jimmy Rollins
Jon Lieber
Tim Gordon
Freddy Garcia
Adam Eaton
Pat Burrel (13+ million)

Cleveland:

Paul Byrd (7 million)
C.C. Sabathia (8.5 million)
Jake Westbrook (6.1 million)

So yes the Red Sox and yankees can throw money at people, but every team does it when they REALLY want someone...

And if you honestly believe that ANY TEAM can't just throw money at a player then you are completely wrong.

So please stop whining about this team or that team spends more money that the team i like. Believe me if they wanted to they could.

[Dan Petrovic]

Originally Posted by Tim Delles

HAHA!!! what about the $250 million paid to A-Rod by the rangers? ($25 million a year)

Have the Yankees been getting their money's worth out of him? I haven't seen anything spectacular yet.

By the way.... Jacoby Ellsbury is the man.

[Tim Delles]

SOX WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[synth3tk]

Yup. Wasn't even a contest. Congrats!

[Travis Hoffman]

Originally Posted by Tim Delles

Dice-K only gets $ 6.3 million a year

HAHA!!! what about the $250 million paid to A-Rod by the rangers? ($25 million a year)

Tampa Bay Pays an outfield (Carl Crawford) 4.1million a year. and they are the lowest payroll in MLB.

Arizona pays Randy Johnson 9 million a year.

Phillies have 7 players paid more than 6.5million

Jamie Moyer
Jimmy Rollins
Jon Lieber
Tim Gordon
Freddy Garcia
Adam Eaton
Pat Burrel (13+ million)

Cleveland:

Paul Byrd (7 million)
C.C. Sabathia (8.5 million)
Jake Westbrook (6.1 million)

So yes the Red Sox and yankees can throw money at people, but every team does it when they REALLY want someone...

And if you honestly believe that ANY TEAM can't just throw money at a player then you are completely wrong.

So please stop whining about this team or that team spends more money that the team i like. Believe me if they wanted to they could.

OK I lied.

2007 MLB Payrolls - http://blog.sportscolumn.com/story/2007/4/9/1367/60158

What about the 50 million dollars the Red Sox paid just for the rights to negotiate with Matsusaka hmm???? That amount exceeds the payrolls of four different major league teams! And that amount isn't even factored into the Red Sox' #2 payroll of $143.5 million.

Many teams are able to spend a decent amount of money to secure 1-2 top notch players. Very few can throw ungodly sums at most of their entire roster.

Like I said before, the Indians are the best team for the money in baseball (the Rockies are also right there, but the Indians' team has had more prolonged success - 93 wins in 2005, when the payroll was even lower). Find out how much a team spends per regular season win and the Indians blow the Yankees and Red Sox OUT OF THE WATER:

Indians: $642,430 per win (96)
Rockies: $604,711 per win (90)

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Yankees: $2,076,905 per win (94)
Red Sox: $1,495,065 per win (96) - add in the negotiating fee for Matsusaka and they're in Yankees territory

As you can clearly see, the Yankees and Red Sox spent 2-3 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF MONEY the Indians and Rockies did to achieve their special brand of "success" - just deal with it and enjoy the fruits of your "labor". Don't try to burn the candle at both ends. If you want to be a Red Sox or Yankees fan, you better be prepared to deal with the very justifiable criticisms regarding payrolls from those who aren't part of your collective. Your teams may also develop their own talent, but BY FAR, they throw more monetary resources at the free agents and foreign players in order to hoard enough talent to ensure victory (well maybe not the Yankees - maybe $500 million will do it next year, eh, George? How about a billion?).

I'm perfectly happy with the fact the Indians do it efficiently, purely. They used to spend far more money (around $100 million) when John Hart was around, and it never got them anywhere except to destroy the farm system which started their 90's run, which Mark Shapiro has since rebuilt with great success. It's far more enjoyable to watch the kids play. There's no shiny award for this type of team victory, but much like in FIRST, the pursuit isn't always about winning worthless pieces of metal. Often, teams and fans must take pleasure in and celebrate accomplishments less recognized by those greedy, arrogant, misguided types in the media and elsewhere. This is one such accomplishment. Congratulations, Indians. Don't change a thing (except to find a non heart attack inducing closer, and a better defensive shortstop, and.... ).

And one final thing - goooooooooooooooo Rockies. You represent the same ideals as the Indians. Go get 'em.

[synth3tk]

You've made a pretty deep argument! Must've been itching to write this one out.

[Tim Delles]

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman

OK I lied.

2007 MLB Payrolls - http://blog.sportscolumn.com/story/2007/4/9/1367/60158

What about the 50 million dollars the Red Sox paid just for the rights to negotiate with Matsusaka hmm???? That amount exceeds the payrolls of four different major league teams! And that amount isn't even factored into the Red Sox' #2 payroll of $143.5 million.

Many teams are able to spend a decent amount of money to secure 1-2 top notch players. Very few can throw ungodly sums at most of their entire roster.

Like I said before, the Indians are the best team for the money in baseball (the Rockies are also right there, but the Indians' team has had more prolonged success - 93 wins in 2005, when the payroll was even lower). Find out how much a team spends per regular season win and the Indians blow the Yankees and Red Sox OUT OF THE WATER:

Indians: $642,430 per win (96)
Rockies: $604,711 per win (90)

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Yankees: $2,076,905 per win (94)
Red Sox: $1,495,065 per win (96) - add in the negotiating fee for Matsusaka and they're in Yankees territory

As you can clearly see, the Yankees and Red Sox spent 2-3 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF MONEY the Indians and Rockies did to achieve their special brand of "success" - just deal with it and enjoy the fruits of your "labor". Don't try to burn the candle at both ends. If you want to be a Red Sox or Yankees fan, you better be prepared to deal with the very justifiable criticisms regarding payrolls from those who aren't part of your collective. Your teams may also develop their own talent, but BY FAR, they throw more monetary resources at the free agents and foreign players in order to hoard enough talent to ensure victory (well maybe not the Yankees - maybe $500 million will do it next year, eh, George? How about a billion?).

I'm perfectly happy with the fact the Indians do it efficiently, purely. They used to spend far more money (around $100 million) when John Hart was around, and it never got them anywhere except to destroy the farm system which started their 90's run, which Mark Shapiro has since rebuilt with great success. It's far more enjoyable to watch the kids play. There's no shiny award for this type of team victory, but much like in FIRST, the pursuit isn't always about winning worthless pieces of metal. Often, teams and fans must take pleasure in and celebrate accomplishments less recognized by those greedy, arrogant, misguided types in the media and elsewhere. This is one such accomplishment. Congratulations, Indians. Don't change a thing (except to find a non heart attack inducing closer, and a better defensive shortstop, and.... ).

And one final thing - goooooooooooooooo Rockies. You represent the same ideals as the Indians. Go get 'em.

Travis,

Its not that every team can't spend as much as the Yankees and the Redsox... its just they don't care to spend that much. Ball clubs are owned by either one owner who has billions or by a group of people who together have billions. Add on top of that the profit from the ball parks (ok some ball parks make almost no if any profit. but there owners are still very wealthy)

So to say that teams can't afford to pay players a lot of money is completely wrong. The owners decide not to (this is in most cases to maximize the profits they can get)

Also to take away what the Redsox were able to do shows you how much you disregard hard work.

by those greedy, arrogant, misguided types in the media and elsewhere.

Who exactly are you talking about here. The fans of those greedy and over paid teams? the players? the managers? the owners? The people who have hope in a team?

well maybe not the Yankees - maybe $500 million will do it next year, eh, George? How about a billion?

We know you don't pay very much attention to sports. If you did you would know that George no longer is running the show for the yankees. His 2 sons are. So it will be there decision not his.

Anyways enough arguing with people on a very useless topic.

[Travis Hoffman]

Continued via PM. Case closed!