Silicon Valley Regional 2008

[Rick TYler]

Originally Posted by Rick TYler

The worst referee decision I've seen in FIRST. Wow. A "do over"? Is this a third-grade recess? How about this, "We made a mistake. Blue wins."

I feel sorry for Mark that he has to sound supportive of this decision.

EDITED: Having been a Little League umpire, I have immense sympathies for the referees. This same thing happened a couple of times the last day in Oregon, but there the refs called the ball as scored. Sorry for the harsh comments, refs, but this shouldn't have happened like this. Blue won.

I want to apologize to all referees past, present, and future. These remarks were intemperate and not worded in a constructive way. I am truly sorry for them.

[David Brinza]

Wow!
Red won a close first match. Penalties were a big factor in the last two matches: a <G22> (zone incursion) penalty against Red swung the outcome of Final Match 2 and a <G42> (hurdling interference) on the Blue alliance called in Match 3 apparently swung that match in favor of Red. But then - chaos!

The penalty in the final was strongly contested and an announcement made that the penalty was rescinded. But then the referee announced that the final match would be replayed because of misinterpretation of the rule involving the supported Blue ball by a Red robot.

I don't understand why the match just doesn't go to Blue. Count the bonus Trackball and even if the Blue penalty is enforced, Blue wins!!

[Stephi Rae]

Unfortunately, if Team 100 had missed "over" the overpass in match two instead of coming backwards, they would have won by two points and none of this would have happened... we saw this many times in Team 100's play in Oregon... In my opinion, another hurdle and crossing your finish line is sometimes the best you can do with a robot not necessarily designed to specifically place the ball...

well... good luck to both alliances...

[Brandon Holley]

i love team 254 and think they are a great role model for teams, and i love team 100 and everything they do

with that said its unfortunate to see horrible refereeing cause so much turmoil among who should have won SVR. ALL the teams put up a hard nosed effort, and even tho the refereeing was horrid, the refs did the right thing by keeping the horrid calls consistent in the end and giving the 4th match.

254, 100 and 115 deserve the win just as much as anyone else and kudos to them!

[XaulZan11]

I didn't see it but this sounds very similar to what happened in the finals on Curie last year. After the blue alliance (330, 910 and 1523 (?) won the first match, the red alliance (1732, 67, 48) appeared to have won the 2nd. But, one of the referees thought blue had one more tube on the rack that was not counted. Although that one blue tube would have not decided the match, the entire match was replayed and the blue alliance won.

[Pavan Dave]

*jokes*

Guys, wait, were having a match number 5!!!!!!


*/jokes*

Originally Posted by Woody1458

UPDATE FROM THE FIELD:
too much contraversy over blue ball refs decide to call it a tie redoing last match more to come

Is that a reason to deny someone a win?? Is that enough ground to say, "we don't care what happened on the field, lets do a do-over!"? ... I'm sure the Patriots would have loved that call?

[chaoticprout]

Before the end of match 3, I was rooting for the red alliance. Afterwards, considering the blue alliance won, I rooted for them. I think this win is just....wrong.

Edit: Not putting a wrong in the hands of the red.

[Kingofl337]

[Brandon Holley]

congrats to 100, 254 and 115 on winning the regional

blue alliance you put on a great show, sometimes rulings go your way, and sometimes they cost you a regional

[tyron256]

well, it was an unusual ending to this regional, unfortunately it was at blue's expense. good show and congrats to the winners

[thefro526]

After seeing this final match, I am rather upset. I understand the refs are human and make mistakes but, In my opinion blue was just conned out of a regional win. The red alliance was good but blue deserved to win after the third match. The inconsistency of refs from regional to regional needs to stop. Any other regional would have called it as blue winning.

Btw, this is not a post trying to bash the refs, I am just fed up with inconsistency's from event to event. And this misunderstanding of the rules has just cost 3 teams a regional win.

[David Brinza]

Not a good day for FIRST at SVR.

I'm afraid the finals controversy will overshadow what this event is supposed to be - a celebration of accomplishment for all of the teams at the event.

Field-side decisions are taking away from the purity of competition. FIRST should be able to rationally resolve the outcome of the match based on what occurs on the field. If an end-game rule is misinterpreted i.e. <G14>, the error should be corrected and the final score should reflect the correct application of the rule.

Unless further explanation can be offered, I just don't see "do-over" as the proper resolution of this situation.

[Meredith Novak]

It's not just a Regional win, it's a ticket to Atlanta for some of these teams. Maybe they should give it to all 6 and call it done. No one is going to feel right about "winning" this, even if they did another do-over...

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by Meredith Novak

It's not just a Regional win, it's a ticket to Atlanta for some of these teams. Maybe they should give it to all 6 and call it done. No one is going to feel right about "winning" this, even if they did another do-over...

I think that this may be the saddest part of this lose for blue.

[ARcanUSNUMquam]

I'm watching the webcast and I didn't see Woz in the colinear arrangement of judges. Anybody know where he went? Or are my eyes deceiving me?